Shevvy from the incredible comedy sensation Crawfish Comic goes guesto mode! We go nuts over how much we like Shevvy's work, and they explain the ethos and philosophy that leads to comics where a whale says "im a whale and even i think this is crasy." Culture today is a diseased mutant thing and Crawfish Comic is a beacon of purity and it kicks ass, this ep rules
[00:00:00] Hello everybody welcome to Anime Sickos, it's podcast for Gene uses
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[00:01:08] dumb game what a wonderful time so dumb Jeff did it really well he tailored it to our sense
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[00:01:35] Moe I don't know what this person calls themselves but it's Moe T I'm gonna say Moe like the wine
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[00:02:13] yeah so we once it's done we immediately vocalize thank god we don't do that stupid shit no more
[00:02:20] yet really grinded my gears to have done anyway uh we got this is gonna be a classic slammed
[00:02:26] epic episode of all time and you want to know why it's because we got a guest it's gonna be called
[00:02:31] Chevy from crawfish comic wait I sort of like start on the end of that it's they're gonna be called
[00:02:38] Chevy from crawfish comic which if you don't know I'm gonna explain what it is later probably Chevy
[00:02:44] hello
[00:02:58] hello so here's here's the deal about the crawfish comic so like two weeks ago I didn't know about this uh
[00:03:05] and yeah exactly so a key element here is like the the no lag time between us like absorbing
[00:03:14] something and then like it was very quick in fact time was over in my house and he yesterday
[00:03:24] and there was a few times where he just like made me look at some comics I had already looked at
[00:03:29] and I was like yes they're still good so whether the story is we did an episode about mobi dick
[00:03:35] and then someone showed me the comic where the guy smashes the aquarium because he wants to free
[00:03:42] the fish and then a whale says I'm a whale and even I think this is crazy and I said to myself
[00:03:48] uh this is the best thing I've ever seen and then I looked at crawfish comic dot tumblr dot com
[00:03:54] and I said I got a message this person do you want to come on in me sickos and then like in
[00:04:00] a truly no time amount of time it's today
[00:04:06] so the funny thing is that you messaged me saying that are you a depressed cartoonist um I had bought a
[00:04:13] I'm on that very same day I bought a new mic a new headphones and zooloft
[00:04:19] so yes I was right this is our thing I don't know and this is another thing that blows my mind
[00:04:26] Chevy has actually listened to anime sickos in the interim which like he's underselling it before
[00:04:32] we began uh to sign a respect uh tom was getting praises sung about the audio drama and he was
[00:04:41] like about to leave his body uh it was it was it was a real damning for him and me
[00:04:47] like honestly if you someone was like on any given day five thousand dollars as someone tells you
[00:04:53] your audio traumas were good I'm like bitch what what is even the question it's every time tell me
[00:05:00] they're good yeah like genuinely um I was blown away by them I'm still going through um I've listened
[00:05:08] to this first sickos shock sicko shock episode I've listened to fall modesty city and then I'm
[00:05:14] currently an episode three of sicko shock two oh that's good what did you think about the joke
[00:05:20] where the guys shoes don't fit after he takes a shit I was um
[00:05:30] Jordi as a character like disfacinates me I need to know where this is going um
[00:05:34] um what's gonna say I just find it funny that you um when you saw my comics you're like this is
[00:05:41] I don't say this lightly this is content
[00:05:46] I mean it's really fun okay you know what actually this is actually what I thought initially when
[00:05:52] I saw the kind of things and this is going to be the most complimentary thing I can say to any
[00:05:56] cartoonist well the most complimentary thing I can say to any cartoonist is you are a curatoriama
[00:06:01] and you came back to life um but the second most complimentary thing I can say to any cartoonist
[00:06:07] is that your comics the first thing I thought of was Phil Elvrum dog trouble comic which
[00:06:14] you've talked about in the show before apparently you had not seen before I've only saw I only saw
[00:06:19] after you brought it up and I looked at it and I was like yeah yeah that's that's it
[00:06:24] that's me I think we need to describe style a bit because like uh we need a visual
[00:06:31] information for what we're working with here and why I think the comics are so fucking funny it's
[00:06:36] uh in the document and before we even started you said that you think it's fun to do things kind
[00:06:42] of poorly and wow do I oh wow big a great the ethos that I have with comics um I actually began
[00:06:51] them kind of in a bitter mindset which I'm glad I've got rid of and actually just enjoyed making
[00:06:57] the comics but when I started uh web comics were in a sad state and they still are but um yeah
[00:07:03] that I find when it's too well drawn it's like a really fancy rapper and you have bigger expectations
[00:07:09] for the candy itself uh and then underwhelms you like the the candy is a joke and uh if you
[00:07:16] haven't look amazing you're like man this is gonna be a really good joke it's not you know what
[00:07:20] actually I think is sort of counterintuitive is if I mean oh the really uh high money web
[00:07:27] comics and this is from this isn't like another universe like this is barely this is not at all
[00:07:32] like what you do or what anyone we like does but like the big money web comics like the fucking
[00:07:39] penny arcades and such aren't they like done where like they have like an asset library and they
[00:07:44] just sort of like shuffle the expressions on the guys uh so like the to look good is itself a
[00:07:52] sign of like we got the style down it's locked down no more decisions are gonna be made about my
[00:07:58] art ever it's a solved equation exactly where when you're drawing it bad there's every panel
[00:08:04] it's like how bad because because that's the the the range on the crawfish comic art it goes yes it's
[00:08:12] a pretty long range and you can see like you you do have the chops which makes the fact you choose
[00:08:18] to try it shittily very much funnier I get known for a specific style I have to change it
[00:08:24] I find it very like one of my favorite jokes is um just ones that don't work like that that
[00:08:29] I though the ones that get the least amount of notes are my favorite um because it's like a
[00:08:34] normally Donald kind of thing where like when the joke fails you want it to fail and like you only
[00:08:38] get joy out of it um what was it gonna say it's uh I love the idea of changing this style completely
[00:08:44] to like something horrendous and people are like what did I follow this person why is there one
[00:08:48] here I mean that's kind of like one of uh one of the things that we do stupid on purpose is uh
[00:08:55] we did a all sketches episode the smart thing to do is if you do sketches you pepper them into normal
[00:09:02] episodes so we did an all sketches episode and the the tepid reaction that it got has fascinated us
[00:09:09] since we're like oh we can we can torture people with sketches yeah like we have like nine sketch
[00:09:17] scripts in the can and we're like we could record all these and like do one every other episode for
[00:09:23] 18 weeks or we could make an episode everyone fucking hates that sounds like that sounds like every
[00:09:30] rapper's dream yes you get it we just he just fucking were talking about how rappers haven't figured out
[00:09:36] did you look okay yes I was I looked at the playlist of all the rap skits uh that Josh
[00:09:44] Bourman sent us a previous guest and I was devastated to see that the horrific sex skit
[00:09:52] De La Orgy from the De La Soap 3 feet and high rising album wasn't on it which is like
[00:09:59] it's a track that I always sort of like block out in my mind because I'm like they're
[00:10:03] ain't no way that there's a whole there's there's like a two minute sex skit in the middle of this
[00:10:08] stone called classic and then there is it's like a let me let me test for insanity it's
[00:10:15] I like it the the one way you drew something specifically that has Tom and I really wagon our
[00:10:23] tails is the uh the fucking mouse trap one um oh my god it's I mean I'll just I'll describe what
[00:10:34] it is which is like a guy has a mouse on a leash and he sees I'm sorry that's your read on this
[00:10:41] no I'm sorry I'm gonna restart a guy has like the the sticking box type trap and there's a
[00:10:49] rat about to go and do it and there's cheese but the thing that makes it so wonderful is that
[00:10:54] their heads are drawn the same way look the the rat head and the guys head are the same
[00:11:02] it's so funny coffee you're pasting something to look the exact same for another panel is like
[00:11:07] one of my favorite guys I cannot stop myself from doing it it's so good like there's the one
[00:11:12] we're like what are you doing right now uh what are you wearing and so I got throwing darts at a
[00:11:16] picture your face and like again it's the easiest thing in the world but the picture of the face
[00:11:21] that the person is throwing darts at is the first panel and I'm like how did they get that picture
[00:11:27] that's fun yeah it's so simple but it truly shatters the world and all the logic within it
[00:11:34] so this so do you ever address when people are confused or anything like what elements of
[00:11:41] response do you deal with I know for instance one where people were confused and one I was not
[00:11:49] confused and then convinced myself I didn't get it because how could people be confused by this
[00:11:54] unless you're misunderstanding it correct it's the that's how your grandma made us poor that's
[00:12:00] how your grandma made us rich like it's basically the comic is a big pile of money being pushed around
[00:12:06] and yes and I was like that's funny because like one person is giving all the money and one person
[00:12:13] is getting all the money and then like all day I was like but what if that's not it what if there's
[00:12:18] something deeper in the comments everyone's like this is inexplicable like what am I reading
[00:12:25] inexplicable and it's like what the in the past someone said free money and the other person said
[00:12:30] fuck yes and then that person giving got poor and the person getting got rich like what are you
[00:12:36] not fucking get I don't want it to come across as completely nonsense I want there to be an
[00:12:41] internal logic that the audience feels like they're peering into uh and intruding in on and it kind
[00:12:48] of there is chaos in the mix but it also established rules set that yeah it follows because if
[00:12:56] there wasn't that it would just be like noise like there wouldn't be it there wouldn't be anything to
[00:13:01] it you can't be that's oh here's here I've discovered the genius way to say it you can't subvert
[00:13:07] the expectations in a funny way if it is so chaotic that there are no expectations to be had
[00:13:13] there's always something that is like far too deeply thought out and to buy intent in the comics
[00:13:20] and it could be the most arbitrary or dumb detail but the fact that I've kept track of it
[00:13:25] left it left it there with kind of a clues it drives people insane and I've noticed this all the
[00:13:32] time sometimes I would spend so little on a comic and people like really really think about it
[00:13:39] I want to bring up the elephant comic because this one is probably the most popular it's it's
[00:13:45] it's gotten so big that it turned into a cocoon and then became a butterfly in flu way and it's not
[00:13:49] mine anymore I'm baffled by this because when you said that this one had a lot of discourse I'm
[00:13:53] like what is there to say other than like this comic oh it's because I'm gonna if it's the one
[00:13:57] I think I'm gonna describe it for the listeners at home yes a boy with a propeller hat at the zoo
[00:14:05] is throwing rocks at the elephant he says why isn't it doing anything the elephant replies because
[00:14:11] there's no answer greater than silence and no punishment greater than forgiveness
[00:14:17] people it's there it is people got really really pissed off at it I got a person that like
[00:14:25] blocked me because of it um why that so people really read into it my my impression of it
[00:14:32] I almost didn't post it because I didn't think it was even that good the idea was that there was
[00:14:37] a smart philosophical quote that was applied to the most like incorrect situation like you're not
[00:14:43] supposed to use that here yeah um this is stupid this is a stupid situation yeah so the vitriol
[00:14:49] that that arose from that was people talking about complacency in under abuse of power oh my god
[00:14:59] so like they're saying like the clearly this comic says that Trump is the kid and where the elephant
[00:15:05] and it's advocating just taking it seriously is that was that am I close yeah out of curiosity I
[00:15:12] I looked at some like reddits that were talking about it and they went to like I don't have it
[00:15:18] right now but they went to a really philosophical degree like they were citing like a bunch of
[00:15:22] you know like actual philosophers and talking about it yeah um what's funny though is that this
[00:15:29] was too much for some people and somebody I don't know who reduced the to just the second the first
[00:15:36] panel took out the dialogue and just said gay like in a long time in a long time it's really funny
[00:15:43] that's pretty good now that it has been processed like a sandwich now it is ready for everybody to have
[00:15:50] that is the one that is a version that the blew up and everybody has that like has seen that
[00:15:55] version it's funny it's so and now it's not mine anymore like people like draw their characters on
[00:16:01] it and I'm so glad um I did not put my watermark on it I don't want the audience um you would have
[00:16:09] pretty much like willingly put an albatross on yourself if you had done that it's putting a red
[00:16:14] dot on my forehead yeah yeah I want to talk about this one I'm gonna be resisting doing this the
[00:16:20] entire episode which is I'm scrolling crawfish comic dot tumblr dot com and you're like oh this
[00:16:24] one's good can I just drive it for the listeners uh this one's going for duty there's a airplane
[00:16:30] the sky from war and it drops a bomb with a skull on it in the airplane says bye bye and when the
[00:16:37] bomb gets to the ground it pops open and there's a guy in there saluting and he says reporting for
[00:16:42] duty and the other guy says you're fired and then the first guy says in a different font do you know
[00:16:47] how fucking long it took to get in this egg oh calling it an egg come on
[00:16:57] also he he emerged saluting that's a really good touch yeah there wasn't even any um
[00:17:03] landing that necessary he was just ready here read it leave this is what when you when you're like
[00:17:09] uh what maybe this will be a good segment for the podcast is you talk about a comic that
[00:17:13] puzzled you and I explain it I'm like nothing's puzzling you took a long time getting in the egg
[00:17:19] and he got fired for it yeah but as as quickly as you've reached that conclusion people like well
[00:17:26] a majority of like tumblr responses is like come that there's a a huge population on tumblr
[00:17:33] of people who catalog uh comics to respective characters and media that it belongs to
[00:17:40] and no matter what i what comic i make there is somehow a perfect comparison to be made uh this
[00:17:48] one was apparently some uh character like a transformer character that turns to a bomb
[00:17:55] real and uh yeah and every comment every every uh re-blog was saying yeah this is exactly like that
[00:18:00] i'm like okay that's good uh another one that i absolutely love johen and i both look to this one a lot
[00:18:07] is uh it's a surgeon and uh so just another person who's not a surgeon you can tell because they
[00:18:14] doesn't have they don't have that circle thing on their head the doctors have i got their own date
[00:18:19] they're drinking a uh one of them milkshakes with two straws and the doctor says yes so your calf
[00:18:24] surgery is going well and there's a huge spray of blood coming up from the butt
[00:18:31] oh god damn i get obsessed with very specific things um as gags there's there is no punchline like
[00:18:38] just just recurring uh traits in a comic is the gag for me uh one is doctors dates cigarettes
[00:18:47] and recently fish like i i find it funnier not just to obsess over these things but to pretend that
[00:18:53] this is a shift in character and that this is kind of who i am now
[00:18:58] so yeah with this the the doctor comic i read it as like it's p o v like they he's on a date
[00:19:09] doing surgery on me and he's at the table like my feet are under the table
[00:19:14] like it's that was the perspective is that is that that how you imagine it or look
[00:19:19] so i have a perfect brain just bringing up the watermark in the elephant comic one more time
[00:19:24] is that uh i mean or the lack thereof is that another punchline for me is
[00:19:29] even crediting myself i find it very funny to credit myself um or not credit myself
[00:19:34] or have a watermark that is like half cropped so you don't even see it
[00:19:39] or have you did the watermark wrong or it's blocked out by speech bubbles
[00:19:44] that's so good oh which comic has one where uh uh one of the speech bubbles just gets
[00:19:50] fucking legs that oh god the one and that person's smoking too smoking is still fucking funny
[00:20:00] yes we've talked about this extensively on the show and it's just like it's people who say
[00:20:05] like i saw someone posting online saying like we need to stop like saying smoking is cool it's like
[00:20:11] are you an idiot it is objectively cool like it's like it is the coolest look at this person
[00:20:17] the the person that you drew who was smoking a cigarette and has otherwise no features
[00:20:22] this person is cooler than every member of my family yeah yeah yeah so about about this comic um
[00:20:31] the depths to which this comic has secrets and basically an airg of its own
[00:20:37] there is no end to it you can always just keep uncovering and as soon as you thought you found the
[00:20:42] bottom of it there is just more to be found that's all i'm gonna say i mean the bottom is that the
[00:20:47] speech bubble has feet and that they're touching the bottom of the ground so that's interpretation
[00:20:53] yeah see that's the other thing that's how you know it's real uh okay so it was
[00:20:59] I we got to get past just like well here's another good one because that's going to be the whole thing
[00:21:04] um this is i'm asking this just because i am curious like is it like what where did you where did
[00:21:12] this all come from where did the crawfish comic concept like from where did it erupt
[00:21:18] like did you just did this your first time doing comics like this i've just i've just all just been
[00:21:23] for yourself before the first 15 or so were done not as a blog just uh-huh kind of things that
[00:21:30] i would draw for me and my friends to make them laugh um and i've tried to keep that ethos after
[00:21:35] i've publicized it to where if it doesn't make me laugh i won't post it um i i keep this good test
[00:21:45] yeah and i keep this um sort of test to any genre i extend to that because if you're writing an
[00:21:52] emotional story if you don't if you don't cry it's something that you wrote that should make you sad
[00:21:57] then how do you how can you trust that other people will feel that way about it like wise i have
[00:22:02] if it's funny why am i not laughing like it's not just another it cannot be just another
[00:22:07] clocking in the shift and uh getting on with it oh yeah yeah if i haven't laughed it's not done um
[00:22:15] i'd like to explain the process because i think sometimes that can be more telling than
[00:22:21] particular explanations for each comic or at least how they came to be i always begin comics
[00:22:26] only with a half joke or i just begin a comic not not once i have a plan um i have something
[00:22:33] that sounds like a punchline but there isn't a setup or anything it just sounds funny to me um i have
[00:22:39] a list here of things that i show me the list so there is this gormless oaf who's borish conduct
[00:22:47] says a doubtful look on my already haggard features uh here's another one i'm not saying you should
[00:22:53] cannibalize him because that would be against the law uh i just had ashwaganda and now i want to kill
[00:22:58] someone this is so i so this is actually very much out time and i end up like i don't think we
[00:23:08] set out with this intention but i come up with a half chunk of dialogue or something and i've no
[00:23:14] word to put it and then tom helps find a home where a larger scene for internally i call it the
[00:23:20] nugget i'm like i gotta get the nugget it's a nugget it's the nugget you're right uh and once
[00:23:26] you have a nugget like what how does it uh scale up often these uh non-sequitors make no sense on
[00:23:37] the run i have to build up the logic to justify its presence even being there um uh the entire world
[00:23:45] shifts to make that half joke belong somewhere um you know there's a there's a world where ashwaganda
[00:23:53] exists and it makes people crazy this is okay this is so fucking smart i'm like nodding my head
[00:24:01] and you can't see listener because it's a podcast but i'm nodding my head intensely this whole time
[00:24:05] shabby's been talking so the one thing that has uh so i mean we mentioned we're doing our sketch
[00:24:11] episode one thing that has i think made these uh this set of sketches way better than our first
[00:24:16] all sketches episode is because uh well that first one was the first time i really wrote a lot of
[00:24:20] sketches at once and when you believe it they're all insanely way too long and this time i sort of like
[00:24:29] i have accidentally discovered what you just fucking said which is all you need is the the nugget
[00:24:36] like the little the little piece of gold and then you're just like what like what is the cheapest
[00:24:43] infrastructure i can build around this thing that still stands up uh and like yeah it's like we've
[00:24:51] been talking about doing it like doing it shitty on purpose is so funny because it's just like
[00:24:57] it's you just get it it's exactly what it is like uh yeah uh let me reach a more uh
[00:25:05] fuck off your fired also this comic was made by crawfish comic
[00:25:11] yes some some of these sentence i know they're not that funny but i might have autism because i mean
[00:25:17] not just for that reason but i think i have autism and there are certain phrases that repeat in my head
[00:25:24] obsessively like i did in autism thing i am in trouble because it's i don't think it's not a
[00:25:32] defining system but i'm but i'm very eager to hear what's next because that's also how i operate
[00:25:38] you just kick a thing around the back of your head for a while yeah the the repetitive idea or
[00:25:45] phrase specifically with language the phrases that kick around in my head the most are ones that
[00:25:50] you frequently see on television and in films so things like well look who's the boss now i love
[00:25:57] phrases like that because i can just put them anywhere and it does not matter the context
[00:26:02] it does not matter there's one i'm looking at one right now where the punch line is just this
[00:26:07] bitch is so fake and like it like it's exactly that kind of line where it's like it's nothing like
[00:26:13] this is not this is not like a comedy line this is just something that is said like people say
[00:26:18] that this bitch is so fake but like that's how the comic story appears just that phrase
[00:26:24] yes yeah so goddamn good now have to make something about it this is why that this is what like
[00:26:31] dog trouble the dog trouble comic did to me when i first saw it which i know it's not your comic
[00:26:38] bear with me but like i read that comic and i'm just like oh okay so the next couple days in my
[00:26:43] life are gonna be do you guys have dog trouble the movie uh that like that's gonna be the only thing i
[00:26:50] think about uh and yeah i'm like i'm fucking i'm a whale and even i think this is crazy like
[00:26:58] that's been in there for a long fucking time boobs or fins you decide fin like
[00:27:05] this is like what what what what what what what mainstream artist so bad how how come this shit
[00:27:12] isn't the what's on tv so you know i it's funny you say that um actually kind of feel a little bit bad
[00:27:20] whenever i take too much like presence on tumblr because there are people who put a lot of effort
[00:27:24] at time onto their work and and art and i i do really appreciate it i think uh tumblr as well
[00:27:31] just social media as as a majority it is pretty bad for letting everybody have a space just think
[00:27:37] of it this way tumblr's like a layout is a treadmill it's it's just conveyor belt that is
[00:27:44] online and for for just one second at least your your picture takes up the entire page
[00:27:51] and that's like that's real estate that somebody else could be taking that pushed me to to think
[00:27:56] through my comics just a little bit more but not too much yeah i cannot be too overthought
[00:28:02] uh if i have a really successful comic i have to make one that i know will flop
[00:28:06] that's so fucking smart as that's interesting so like planned duds known duds
[00:28:14] yeah my favorite dud that nobody likes is the um the one about bob dillon with stick figures
[00:28:21] and if you find that one please just saying the Wikipedia article i love this
[00:28:26] yeah this is my favorite flop of a comic so my favorite response was someone told me that
[00:28:30] their dad saw this and he hated it well this oh this is an anti-dad comic for sure
[00:28:36] yeah you got to be real careful what you say about bob dillon around dads i don't have anything
[00:28:41] against bob dillon my my main thing with bob dillon is that i think bob dillon impressions that are bad
[00:28:48] are like inherently funnier than like anything like i just know that little plastic whistle that has
[00:28:55] has like a fan in it that you get it like that that's mom
[00:29:04] for the folks at home weren't looking at this comic uh there's stick figures one of whom is saying
[00:29:12] the fucking Wikipedia for bob dillon with the fucking footnotes and it's still and then the next
[00:29:19] panel that person is uh upside down with blood coming out of their head and everyone is saying
[00:29:24] hooray and also there are random splotches of white in the background which is gray mostly but then
[00:29:30] just has some white artifacts it's an infuriatingly immature response it's so good i mean no i but in
[00:29:38] in as a tactic i completely understand it because when and this is something that we try to avoid
[00:29:47] by just never having anything go big which is when something goes big you have the obviously
[00:29:53] there's a rush to like oh my god it's winter it's working it's working the number is getting big
[00:29:57] and so you're like i need to i i need to become addicted to this this has to be the thing that i
[00:30:02] care about more than anything so i'm just gonna fucking try to do that thing again forever and then
[00:30:08] again like what makes art interesting what makes in general and also your art interesting
[00:30:13] is like we're starting from scratch every time and there's always the maximum number of like
[00:30:20] decisions in the decision tree of the art we're not starting with like because this is cryofish
[00:30:25] comic you know all you can assume all the honor existing lore exactly and i mean even existing lore
[00:30:33] if like i know what type of joke works i mean that's not like lore plot wise but it's lore in the sense
[00:30:38] that like now there is a narrower slice of what the art could be so and you mentioned normectonel
[00:30:47] before very apropos because like yeah that sort of thing where it's like in order to keep myself
[00:30:53] sharp and smart i'm gonna say some shit that everyone fucking hates because it's gonna keep them guessing
[00:31:02] yeah um somebody brought up that memes are undergoing entropy as a concept they propose a simple
[00:31:10] question do you think memes are a sign of a dying society do you see memes as they currently are
[00:31:16] lasting for another hundred years i don't know i'd get more and more chaotic and self-referential
[00:31:22] to the point where just like a single phrase can make you laugh at the same time i counter to that
[00:31:28] argument is that people say uh they laugh at something that is a bit absurd and they think oh my
[00:31:33] sense of humor has gotten so bad that i'm laughing at this and what they're laughing at is something
[00:31:38] that the grandma would find funny as well yes yes yes this is true yeah this is very related to how like
[00:31:45] when you were like oh yeah some people don't get the comics i'm like what's not to get the get is
[00:31:49] that there's a funny picture and that there's funny words like that's that's it like that's the joke
[00:31:55] like denied like it's it's just that the other audience issue which is to say this is a problem with
[00:32:02] people consuming the comics is they just have very specific ideas of what a comic should do
[00:32:09] and to your earlier point where it's just like if it's just like a nugget i get to stand up with goofy
[00:32:15] infrastructure and that's all it is and they're expecting i don't know something more they're always
[00:32:21] going to be like what are you doing yeah where's all the stuff i expect i think the four panel
[00:32:27] trope for web comics has done a lot of damage to it because thousands millions maybe of great comics
[00:32:35] have been made in that format but now that it's an expectation it uh sometimes forces people to
[00:32:41] extend their joke to another panel i think the lack of brevity is the number one killer for web
[00:32:47] they just have to like say more and more and more i'd rather that it could either confuse
[00:32:53] somebody and they move on or that there's just enough puzzle pieces for you to like get it
[00:32:59] or leave it ambiguous and keep thinking about it i have to make it so that it drives people
[00:33:05] insane and they just keep thinking about it because there there has to be something
[00:33:09] that is sensible here there has to be like it makes too much sense but also nothing
[00:33:15] i know i said i wasn't going to do it again but you saying that made me have to say this which is
[00:33:19] there's this one crawfish comic where someone is asking a guy in bed after four osters and a no
[00:33:26] bell piece prizes are anything you have to say for your adoring fans the guy in bed replies well
[00:33:31] you know just be yourself that's it and i thought that was a great comic and then i looked at
[00:33:36] it again and the person asking that question is his own foot with a sock puppet on it and his other
[00:33:42] foot is holding the microphone in his toes it's just like oh my god we're dealing with a high
[00:33:51] level i level being here it's so good just like yeah to just like this is this is happening okay
[00:34:00] like fucking deal with it like it does you well you know what you know what actually this reminds me
[00:34:06] of one thing that we talk about a lot that we're like this is so stupid is that nowadays everyone's
[00:34:10] talking about the lore everyone needs to everything needs to have a lore you have to have a lore
[00:34:14] on the wiki you have to say well actually if you look at the backstory this guy has a 100 grumlins
[00:34:21] in his inventory so that was that tell you and it's like it just tells me fucking nothing who cares
[00:34:26] this just like to just drop a view into a world beyond imagining and refuse to expand on it
[00:34:37] beautiful it's like that David Linton meme talking about memes that David Lynch meme where it's like
[00:34:42] raised ahead it's my most spiritual film expand on that no
[00:34:46] beautiful i love characters that look like they were belonging to a bigger story
[00:34:53] in serious stories as well like i enjoy that like dramas or fictions or any fiction where
[00:34:59] you see a snippet or of someone some characters life and you have so many questions
[00:35:04] and then it goes that's it i want my comics to work in two layers one where it's funny
[00:35:11] you don't have to overthink anything like it's funny just looking at it and thinking like
[00:35:15] like your first initial impression is funny but maybe there's details you can notice or something
[00:35:21] that you can glance closely at and then another laugh arises it's i mean yeah that that's it you
[00:35:31] did it your intention has been executed upon Chevy i got to ask you something we ask all
[00:35:38] of our guests and we're asking you now so i'm gonna ask it right now using my asking voice
[00:35:46] are you an anime sicko i generally stay away from consumption i don't enjoy it it feels like
[00:35:53] something horrible that i'm doing to myself like uh well it is well yeah where most people
[00:35:58] relax with a tv show it feels like like extraneous effort that i put into as another it's like
[00:36:05] clocking in a shift just to watch like like in black mirror or something i think this is because
[00:36:10] i give media my fullest attention not by choice i have to like um it takes a lot out of me energetically
[00:36:20] so i don't consume a lot of media now to the question for the most part no with two exceptions one
[00:36:27] is masaka you wasa and his movies and two is osama to zooka he's given me a horrible disease
[00:36:35] and i'm obsessed with this work um osama to zooka inspires me because he has this world again
[00:36:42] with his own rules and each character that he puts in his comics they're not they're like an actor
[00:36:50] he has something called a star system where it's just um if if this character is evil in this story
[00:36:55] that's only because the actor is playing that role and then for the next story you know who knows
[00:37:00] what he might be oh wait i think i've heard is it but by the star system does it mean that like he
[00:37:05] just has like x amount of character designs and he's just like i want to draw this exact guy again
[00:37:10] in a later comic but he's going to be a different guy even though he looks exactly the same
[00:37:14] yeah but it's still genius like a curatorioma would do it hasica is the astro boy author am i correct
[00:37:21] yeah what i love the most about his work is that it would look not out of place on dvnr
[00:37:27] i mean this as the highest compliment because he has these like obsessive themes and sometimes
[00:37:33] i'm sorry i'm gonna say it blood like fetishes but it's so beautiful like it's made me cry as well
[00:37:39] it's it's so sincere um they're very rarely is irony there's maybe a bit of cheekiness in there but you
[00:37:46] know yeah very sincerely inspired by bad art and i look at it all the time it's almost one of my
[00:37:55] greatest obsessions this is probably the media that i consume instead of a tv show i just look
[00:38:00] i go to dvnr or i go to for affinity and i just look up for art that has that is of the purest form
[00:38:10] and you can probably see that inspiration in the comics themselves um when there's mistakes
[00:38:15] in the art i think that brings it to life uh when something is masterful and so perfectly detailed
[00:38:24] there is not a single flaw in it sometimes i believe at least for me my eyes it glanced over
[00:38:29] quicker but for everybody mistakes are immediately noticeable and some people are mean about it
[00:38:37] but i believe it brings it to life if i if i may cut in here yeah i think it and this is sort of we've
[00:38:44] been talking about how like we we want to do an episode where we talk about how much we are morally
[00:38:48] disgusted the concept of a i art and i think it's it's we're morally disgusted with it with the same
[00:38:54] reason the it's like a mirror image of why bad art and hyper personal art is so good which is like
[00:39:02] when something is bad like bad and quotes like the technique is not there or it's weird or it's
[00:39:08] focused on a very niche theme that the author clearly is obsessed with like what you
[00:39:16] get as a as a reader or a viewer looking at that is like i am like connecting with another human being
[00:39:23] in like a really deep way because they are just putting their whole fucking soul out there
[00:39:29] they're not hiding behind you know the ability to be good at art uh they're just like i needed
[00:39:34] to draw this even though i can't do it really that good uh and thus like it feels so much more
[00:39:41] emotional because just the the fact that it exists is evidence that there was this huge passion
[00:39:48] straining against the limits of possibility and uh people who are like i can't wait for an
[00:39:56] a itv show i'm just like i hate you that's nothing that gets nothing like what even like why would you
[00:40:02] do it there's no there's nothing there give me the slot i let woke how dare you use our phrase
[00:40:09] against us the slap is like hey slap like it's like the slap is nice yeah yeah oh my god
[00:40:18] with the advent of a art i believe human flaws i have more importance and like to a really deep
[00:40:24] degree if you look in the bargain bin bottom barrel of deep in art you're gonna find like the reason why
[00:40:30] art really exists and why it should be made um yes sonic sonic christian shot like someone
[00:40:38] needed to draw a christian sonic and like it's the same thing if like your the comic doesn't explain
[00:40:42] itself and you you get a glimpse into another world like it's like there is someone out there who
[00:40:47] needed to draw christian sonic and clearly they're 13 so like what it's like that that life
[00:40:53] is so different from me and yet we're both humans it's like what it's yeah yeah
[00:40:59] these artworks and their illuminated spotlight on the internet is frequently seen as a joke or
[00:41:06] laugh that or embarrassing but the fact that it's so unabashed i think i i cannot put into words
[00:41:13] how deeply sincere these pieces and like how emotionally touched i am by looking at them
[00:41:19] mm-hmm that's why i try and just imitate a tiny fragment of what they do i won't say which pieces
[00:41:24] but sometimes i just like look at it piece and just imitate it and then just put it in the comic
[00:41:31] yeah yeah that's the best way to do it this is also true so are you an anime single i forgot if
[00:41:37] you answered the question or not there were two that you were okay with right oh yeah yeah
[00:41:42] with the samitasuka i am sickening with him i'm i'm afflicted
[00:41:49] again it's that it's the obsession the fact that he is so obsessed with his own characters it's
[00:41:54] infectious she what should i read i haven't read any of this stuff what's what's what's what's your top
[00:41:59] recommendation it's hard to say uh today asking a possible question here yeah it's a bit of an
[00:42:04] impossible question i think for you joe you might enjoy metropolis the most uh it's one of his
[00:42:10] old masterpieces and it's it's quite dramatic and you know i'm patience as well
[00:42:16] get it up now hell yeah this is how you do a mainka plot this is a this is a correct recommendation
[00:42:24] i'm there for it the story begins with the scientist dr. york shirebell noting that dinosaurs once
[00:42:30] flourished and became extinct when they advanced beyond their ability to adapt to change jimamil
[00:42:35] such as the sabre two tiger and the mammoth came and went the same way humans earth's current
[00:42:40] dominant lifeform had one special asset intelligence enabling them to advance further than all creatures
[00:42:45] before them dr. bell wondered if one day humans might advance beyond the point of no return
[00:42:50] and render themselves extinct in the summer of nineteen x x that's how you know it's stupid oh
[00:42:57] oh my god nineteen x d x that's so funny because even at that point like there's not that many 19
[00:43:06] years left i want to bring up an example the play uber roy was only performed twice in the author's
[00:43:22] lifetime one was rehearsal and the other caused a riot because they hated it so much if you search
[00:43:28] it up no i look up u b u i mean u b u r o i h and ninety six was not ready for this it was so
[00:43:38] controversial it was outlawed several poets in the audience wrote harrowing greek camps that i'm going
[00:43:46] to read now give me give me give me give me give me give me he enters the repertoire of high taste and
[00:43:51] haunts me here's another one what more is possible after us the savage god another poet has said
[00:44:00] ubu exists you will not be able to get rid of him he will haunt you and perpetually force you
[00:44:05] to remember not only that he passed this way but that he has arrived and he is here so what the fuck
[00:44:11] yeah so what is all this talking about it's just a hysterically crude play with very poorly designed
[00:44:20] characters a somewhat nonsensical script and it's amazing like i can see a bit of my spirit coming
[00:44:28] back uh in this um they basically i believe they saw entropy in comedy and were horrified at the
[00:44:38] such a complacent the uh century that they had back them what the hell happens in this play
[00:44:45] i am now i'm like what the you gotta see it i got it well it was only performed once you can find
[00:44:52] the scripts and you can find uh you know you plays an even a movie about it that that imitates it
[00:44:59] i'm looking at the wikipedia page and there's lots of pictures and normally when i look at a picture
[00:45:04] i know what it is because i'm seeing it with my eyes but every single one of these pictures is so
[00:45:10] baffling to me that i can't understand what i could possibly be looking at
[00:45:17] yeah uh jerry's metaphor for the modern man he's an anti hero fat ugly vulgar gluttonous grandios
[00:45:23] dishonest stupid jizu infaratious greedy cruel cowardly and evil who grew out of schoolboy legends about
[00:45:29] the imaginary life of a hated teacher who had one point been a slave on a turkish galley at another
[00:45:33] frozen in ice in norway and once more the king of poland this is just a confederacy of denses
[00:45:39] that's just not weird didn't really have that too so you think that's that you think that
[00:45:46] the entropy of memes is ubu roi of the modern day in some way i believe his spirit he's haunting us
[00:45:54] he's haunting us i'm with two minds on this because i was said earlier which is just like the way
[00:45:59] everything it's remixed and reused you can like see this stuff sort of degrade uh but at the same
[00:46:06] time like when a spongebob meme is like really deep fried and looks like shit because it's been
[00:46:13] copy-pasted several times and like it's got bad artifacting that's also itself very fun
[00:46:20] although i guess what it's happening like legitimately and normally like people aren't like making
[00:46:24] the conscious choice to make it like that it just is i think also the fact that if there was a play
[00:46:31] if you had to sit in a little room where you're basically a prisoner and people act out a deep fried
[00:46:38] spongebob meme in front of you all that entails for like two hours you'd be yeah you would be like
[00:46:45] i'm herald and by this horrible shit ubu will walk in front of my eyes every time i go to bed for
[00:46:53] the rest of my life i hate this guy yeah um in a social setting the way comedy is being used
[00:47:00] there's only one problem i have with it which is when it substitutes sincerity i used to make like a
[00:47:06] lot of jokes via text it went on tumblr when i post uh i fucking love posting by the way um so you
[00:47:13] are an enemy sick it's you understand yeah so you're making you're making these posts you're making
[00:47:21] these posts and uh text there's a lot of jokes in them but then i've realized that when i say
[00:47:27] something sincere people could reasonably doubt that it is sincere because i've said jokes in
[00:47:34] that exact same format yes i've not said anything to differentiate my you know my motive speech um
[00:47:42] so i've tried to separate that where the comics are what they are and when i speak i'm completely
[00:47:48] myself to the most for the most part i believe that the lack of sincerity today and kind of what
[00:47:54] people call iron iron poisoning is a long-lasting scar from the cringe era of the internet where
[00:48:02] what is cringe except being vulnerable and it just it's like you showed weakness uh
[00:48:07] yeah someone was there to point that it was occurring and everyone went cringe die especially in a
[00:48:14] socially unacceptable way um if you break social rules not anything serious just social rules and
[00:48:21] it's it's our modern version of gallows people loved to go and see someone get thrown tomatoes at
[00:48:27] or guillotine this is why i think that us doing this podcast is the ultimate form of comedy because
[00:48:34] it is we're not doing any irony we're just jammering we're just saving the world
[00:48:40] yeah i mean basically the fact that i made cigars act two is the greatest thing anyone's ever done
[00:48:44] and it did save the world yeah this is everything going well yeah yeah imagine how bad it would have been
[00:48:52] before sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode sicko mode
[00:49:00] sicko mode on the subject of entropy i feel like uh i can uh
[00:49:09] talk about ai without imagining it is just like gray goo like it's just gray goo that it's going to
[00:49:14] fill every container of contents ever and it's just gonna dilute uh sort of everything and like
[00:49:21] to me that represents a sort of entropy in the sense that like there will be more stuff than ever before
[00:49:29] but it will never have been written by a person and it'll all suck and it's like
[00:49:34] that itself is also like entropy it's like you have everything in front of you and it doesn't
[00:49:38] matter because it's all garbage exactly what the plot of uh fucking megalopolis or metropolis
[00:49:46] the the test is a good monogadette you were just reading before but it's like what if humans
[00:49:50] become too big for their Minneapolis Minneapolis um what if humans become too too advanced and they
[00:49:58] ruin their own place as uh stewards of the world like legitimately that's what's so scary but when
[00:50:04] people like well the ai i hate it but it's inevitable and like don't just keep resisting like why
[00:50:10] are you giving up already because like when you get into that world where there is gray goo
[00:50:15] just in every single place like every place that could have a that is a one way change yeah and
[00:50:22] it's like oh and when that happens like it's not a humans world anymore like in a not in a not
[00:50:28] in a metaphorical way but just like how much of my time is going to be spent looking at and dealing
[00:50:36] with stuff that is that again comes from nothing like I'm not crazy to think that like a big part of
[00:50:42] why you be in a live guy as a human being is to like engage with other human beings i think
[00:50:50] that's pretty common as a belief uh and just too willingly like remove that from people's lives i
[00:50:58] think is like uh violence on a unthinkable scale i've been disappointed a little bit by people's
[00:51:05] reactions to it um i am depressed yes but nothing persuades me to give up ever um this is just in
[00:51:14] general i like think that imagine that all the justifiable reasoning has been given to me okay
[00:51:22] like your likes keep moving do you not mean like the flowers is told blossoming that's such an
[00:51:30] error but you know what i mean it's true i mean motherfucker it does keep a does look outside it
[00:51:35] do be doing that um you're i mean it's still right that's uh one element i want to say on the top
[00:51:41] of the good entropy because we're not talking about dead internet but we basically are like
[00:51:46] we're discussing a point in which just hope yes everything is just a dead a dead web uh obviously
[00:51:53] that does not fill me with hope but the reason it does not make me hope less specifically
[00:51:59] is there's probably some fun to be had in the ruins of the internet uh obviously that's not as good
[00:52:09] as uh like a working uh network that isn't shit everywhere but like that is the thing that i
[00:52:16] keep coming back to which is like things are gonna get really shitty and janky which is going to allow
[00:52:23] perhaps a type of posting that's never happened before i mean i agree and also i do want to say
[00:52:32] that part of i think why i was so immediately like over the moon with with crawfish comics
[00:52:40] was it felt like in in a internet that that i guess for whatever reason the people on are
[00:52:48] desperate to make it the dead internet they're like ah it's inevitable that AI will take over it's
[00:52:53] like uh why are you so happy about this um and an internet that seems like it's dead and dying
[00:53:00] like finding this comic felt like i was going back in time to web and it was a little bit of
[00:53:05] flexible because you know where it's not an it's not an instagram and tiktok it's on you know
[00:53:10] where you can find crawfish comic on crawfishcomic.tumblr.com and nowhere else everywhere
[00:53:14] besides sucks yes there is no discovery now uh there's only feeds i mean you you spoke uh
[00:53:20] negatively of just like a tumbler is it conveyor belt and it's tumblers of course one of many
[00:53:26] feeds you know like everything is just a trough that we get the sloppin. The reason why i don't
[00:53:32] actually have the problem with tumblers because i just post it and i close it that's it
[00:53:36] that's so smart yes our use of tumblr like i we use and we're doing air quotes here tumblr in
[00:53:44] the sense that just like when we put out an episode i put a link to the episode there on tumblr too
[00:53:49] like so when i use it like the only thing i do is i go to tumblr i com slash anime sickles and i
[00:53:54] just look at our page so i can put a new thing on and like yeah in that sense it's like this is not
[00:53:59] giving me any stress at all but like the the thing that tumblr does that the other you know
[00:54:05] fucking sites don't do is that you can have like you can sort of piggyback off tumblr to make a home page
[00:54:12] like crawfishcomic.tumblr.com is just a page that's got all the crawfish comics and you can go
[00:54:17] and look at them and go oh my god how many enemies does the middle friend have show your thinking
[00:54:23] i love it that was a great idea that was my friend holly's idea thank you it's uh well you tell
[00:54:30] holly that that shit's so fucking fun yeah all comics should have a worksheet at the end anyway
[00:54:37] the point i'm saying is uh like i truly felt like i'd gone back in time complimentary version
[00:54:43] where it's just like okay this is a standalone website that i got to via word of mouth you know
[00:54:50] i didn't get this from the fucking feed an algorithm didn't decide you might like this because no
[00:54:55] algorithm would understand what to do with these fucking comics and then on top of that like they
[00:55:00] have cultivated a sort of atmosphere of like what if shit was always a little weird and off and
[00:55:08] wrong and not explained fully uh and nothing ever carried over and everything was just a little bit
[00:55:16] like got you a little bit off kilter and i'm just like well what if the answer to those questions
[00:55:22] is i would fucking hoot and holler and slam the table for more is what i would fucking do
[00:55:29] yeah i just want to bring up a small detail it's not uh it's not relevant to anything but
[00:55:34] it's one thing that i do as uh i fake mistakes on purpose in some of these to make it more memorable
[00:55:42] just like what the divin art art itself does that i was speaking about earlier but also that
[00:55:47] i can give an incorrect date to a movie that came out and someone tells me wait korea line came out
[00:55:53] in 2009 not 2007 and i'm like no did yeah thank you no thank you for telling me i appreciate that
[00:56:00] i mean we had branson reiss on and one of his favorite bits of mine that i ever
[00:56:08] i i my favorite bits anyone's ever done is he did a comic where uh that's yes
[00:56:13] sarcia smooth and everyone was like no they're rough and he's like no they're smooth
[00:56:18] and it just went on forever people kept trying to keep it creative and it's post the Wikipedia page
[00:56:25] which has been edited with uh inspect element to be like sharks are the smoothest animals on the
[00:56:33] people graduate people routinely took turns like king arthur pulling the sword out of the
[00:56:38] sword that's it's a very good point because you were seeing like a hundred people try and you're like
[00:56:46] but when i pointed out he's gonna say he's sorry yeah yeah like that's i'm gonna
[00:56:52] get one that gets through uh and fun convinces like there's a joke i don't want to spoil it
[00:56:58] because we haven't recorded the sketch yet but there's a there's a joke about the date's not
[00:57:04] lining up in a sketch about time trap we've gone back in time in previous sketches but like we go
[00:57:08] back in time and two things are happening and they are not even very they're like five years apart
[00:57:14] and i like that was on purpose like it's very funny that they're wrong that it couldn't possibly
[00:57:21] be that uh and you know okay this is another thing i'm gonna get in trouble for saying this
[00:57:27] i'm not gonna name any names but to share zone used to be so fucking good and one of the reasons
[00:57:32] it was so good is because of the mistakes that were intentionally put in the spelling errors were
[00:57:36] always there always have a bunch of spelling errors and it's very funny because
[00:57:41] well that it shouldn't be spelled like that tihiihi it i whoo whoo it's different um
[00:57:47] and then so i'm not gonna get into the drama but apparently the entire account was taken over
[00:57:51] from the original creator by uh nameless person who is not as good at it and now if you look
[00:57:58] at the share zone the misspellings one there's way too many like it's not funny anymore because
[00:58:05] it is very clearly like i must misspell five things per image and it it really is a
[00:58:11] connoisseurs because if you it's you do a nuclear strike on one word that brings the attention to
[00:58:19] it right and like you can't just spell everything wrong because then you're not
[00:58:23] you you're not emphasizing anything when you spell stuff wrong and do things wrong in your comics like
[00:58:30] am i correct that it is a another way to emphasize
[00:58:35] somewhat there's a bit of mistakes that i actually have not like noticed and i i enjoy i'd like
[00:58:40] so much that i keep it um i think i feel that because there's a sincere energy that i have to
[00:58:45] retain with each comic i can't be too aware of the audience um what helps me is when i make it
[00:58:53] just around friends and i make it while friends are watching me and they you know they pitch in
[00:59:00] the laugh at it uh i get some feedback and i take things less seriously i'm reminded to yes yes
[00:59:07] yes it's not like i'm not making a great piece of art i'm making some silly shit which is again
[00:59:13] we've talked about this this is a fucking common theme which is like the way that you become someone
[00:59:19] who understands art is to realize that there's no nothing belongs on a pedestal nothing is perfect
[00:59:26] because it was all made by people and people are all fucked up weirdos and like yeah so you
[00:59:34] it's all just silly shit it's all those people having fun you know yeah you brought up earlier that
[00:59:41] my comics look like they appeared from a different time a long gone one of the internet um i have
[00:59:46] to disclose that yes rage comics did influence me i read a lot of them when i was kid um oh yeah
[00:59:52] but i can see that even older than that with the animations my mom and i would watch
[00:59:56] Charlie Chaplin DVDs and that comedy is in the animations as well
[01:00:05] uh the animations this how many are there because only when i've seen just the car for sale one
[01:00:09] where every time the guy touches a car it falls apart immediately there's just two yeah this is a
[01:00:15] dark board one where people began calling me an industry plant because i was my first book breakthrough
[01:00:19] and you can see like some flash animation in it okay that shit was so fucking
[01:00:24] okay for folks at home who didn't see that someone's playing darts and it is uh animated
[01:00:34] with that photoshop thing where you click the the element and the box comes up around it that shows
[01:00:40] the coordinates the person's doing their arm back and forth the shoot the throw the dart but
[01:00:45] they throw it backwards by accident and it blows up i think a hot air balloon that a bunch of people
[01:00:52] are on they hate that so they run back to the house where the person's playing darts furious to kill
[01:00:57] them uh they're gonna throw a dart at that guy's head they throw it backwards the same way see this is
[01:01:05] again story of Everest story the story of Everest just what if something happened twice
[01:01:11] the funniest thing in the universe and also the funniest thing in the universe which we've talked
[01:01:14] about it length is what if the idiot was right which is like the like how you have to be an idiot
[01:01:20] to throw a dart backwards and then like no that's actually what everyone does like ah yes
[01:01:27] so wait okay another that i just i can't see the shit that going nuts over it so that you got
[01:01:32] called an industry plan yeah an industry plan for this animation is because of the success that
[01:01:38] came afterward i mean it's funny is shit when i saw them throw the fucking dart backwards again
[01:01:45] my god man ah shit i can't believe it
[01:01:59] the one encouraging message i just want to give out to people if you were to take away anything
[01:02:05] please please draw poorly just make something bad um you have no idea what it will do for your
[01:02:12] health if you're an artist right now and like your each piece feels like the last one before you die
[01:02:16] or something you have no idea what it's good good is going to do to your health
[01:02:20] if you just lower your standards you don't owe anybody good drawings you don't owe anybody
[01:02:26] something that with anatomically correct details okay um that's all thank you
[01:02:42] i really want to talk about this this is a high point of inspiration dialogue wise
[01:02:51] English as she is spoke is the name of a phrase book from 1855 meant to translate between portuguese
[01:02:58] and english it's believed that the author didn't know english and had to translate using a portuguese
[01:03:04] to french book and then a french to english book oh this is good this is to translate from the past
[01:03:10] but like someone had to like really sweat it out yeah so i'm gonna read a couple of the results
[01:03:18] the regular english phrase he's crawling became he go to four feet
[01:03:24] another one dude i'm crawling is that's we got to tell mark has that he go to four feet our buddy
[01:03:29] of our kez talked about oh huh whatever i know i don't get again ahead of myself sorry good
[01:03:35] video i'm just this is struck me emotionally in a big way go do four feet
[01:03:41] yeah this lake looks full of fish let's have some fun fishing becomes that pond it seems me many
[01:03:47] multiplied of fishes let us amuse rather to the fishing it's like a whole paragraph listen this
[01:03:53] shit all day i want more more i want more than 30 thousand dollars becomes i had gained 10 Lewis
[01:04:03] that's a classic phrase it's timeless this is a book from 1855 even today i would like more than
[01:04:08] 30 thousand dollars i won't even provide the original phrase for this one then he kicks for that
[01:04:13] i look sook here if i do you to tame hicks what that like sounds like they had a thing and they just
[01:04:20] scrambled the order of the words was there was talking about bill hicks at the end of their what
[01:04:27] we can you say that last one again just for my purposes because i didn't really follow it yeah no
[01:04:34] worries then he kicks for that i look sook here if i knew to tame hicks sook here if i knew to tame hicks
[01:04:45] it huh it's in trance and because it feels like it kind of makes sense it's it's like chaos mixed
[01:04:52] with structure and it's again entropy just looking back at you i kind of still talking to someone
[01:04:56] said that to me in life i obviously would not understand but i'd be like oh this is a smart person
[01:05:03] yes yes yes yes god damn mark twain said nobody can add to the absurdity of this book nobody can
[01:05:11] imitate it successfully it is perfect so you live in australia which is notably an island
[01:05:27] continent and based on our understanding of island nations is that there's a good chance that it
[01:05:36] turns its inhabitants to either totes or perverts for instance the japanese become perverts because
[01:05:43] of the vending machines with disoiled panties and then the english became totes because they just
[01:05:53] sit in a bog so like australia does have some weird like vegemite is deranged right it's a type
[01:06:04] of toad paste is my understanding for australia i feel like all of that pervert energy has just gone
[01:06:09] into me and nobody else has it you you are like the the lightning pole the top of a skyscraper
[01:06:19] catching all of the blasts of horning for so australia can continue to function
[01:06:25] i cannot elaborate yeah now here's the goku who everyone else is shooting the pervert energy into
[01:06:31] so that you can create a beautiful piece of art this is how ubu roi was made that what you say
[01:06:38] that was french i think someone must have written that on an island because this is fear island pervert
[01:06:45] vads the only other thing i know about australia is that melbourne has the most street cars
[01:06:52] of like anywhere and i would like to smooch them all like i just i would i think street cars are
[01:06:59] cool well yeah i would say about that yeah no it's just it's simply true
[01:07:14] the comic cowtools by gary farside for me is what dog troubles by film microphones is to you
[01:07:21] there's again an inspiring amount of half logic uh the thing that confused so many readers
[01:07:28] about the contents of it was that one of the tools looked like a saw and they would assume that the
[01:07:33] other ones had some sort of logic to it and it caused this horrible spiral of uh you know angry letters
[01:07:40] and calls of people who were driven insane by thinking that there is more to it it could not have
[01:07:48] been nonsense it couldn't be there had to be something and then his response was that i thought
[01:07:53] it would be funny if you know cow came up with tools and it looked dumb like yeah like if a cow did
[01:08:01] make the tools they probably look kind of shitty cow tools is so it's such like an incredible cultural
[01:08:07] artifact i only found out about this within like the last five years and it's so funny because
[01:08:13] like this is the type of thing that a lot of people know about and love to talk about so i was like
[01:08:17] I found out about this and i was like do you know about a cow and it was like yeah this is old news
[01:08:22] like how do you not know about this and then like happening again and again and again to find out
[01:08:28] i was completely unaware of this cultural phenomenon i think what makes it so special is that
[01:08:35] we came out in a time when it was possible for a comic that is so simply absurd to like again
[01:08:43] have like a jillion million people reading it such that like the inevitable group of people who
[01:08:51] were obsessed with overthinking and it's like i must discover all the lore for these tools was like
[01:08:56] not it wasn't like five weirdos on the internet it was like half of america baby like i love that
[01:09:03] it's so glad that at least at one point that was possible to happen in the world all that pervert
[01:09:09] energy all that uber roar a lot film microphones was struck into that comic and i could say it's
[01:09:16] at north star for me of what i could be and talk about like a phrase that just lives in your head
[01:09:23] it's like seller door but better just cow just like just the words cow tools is fun to say
[01:09:31] he drew something and everybody got pissed and like confused and they wrote letters
[01:09:39] that's what cartooning is about
[01:09:44] yeah i know i wasn't gonna say another one but i was gonna read another fucking crawfish comics
[01:09:49] let me have my fun this is this clearly as a podcast it's a podcast recording folks
[01:09:55] and someone says of a man he wouldn't hurt a fly to it she says yeah i only hurt humans
[01:10:02] podcast host shocked says did we hear him correctly this guy hurts humans to a key response i didn't
[01:10:08] say other humans what about the plural okay there's that guy at the gas station what i love about that
[01:10:15] is i was very happy with that one and it may be laughed because there was no punch line and i
[01:10:21] sometimes think of the audience while i'm making it just a little bit i know i said i should
[01:10:26] kind of pretend that there is no one watching but i love the idea of somebody reading it
[01:10:30] waiting for the punch line or like waiting for like something to click yeah where's the where's
[01:10:35] the big like babam like this is it yeah and i like elaborating just for the sake of it uh
[01:10:43] there's a comic that i did that i have published but there were like two more panels that i caught out
[01:10:49] of that person years later graduating and like you know marrying not for any joke or any
[01:10:55] punch line relevant to the previous just for just for funds yeah i think you should put it back in
[01:11:04] maybe that's so i mean the punchline of this one is hit this is okay this is why it's so to me
[01:11:10] delicious the punch line is yeah i only hurt humans which is said in the first panel and like the fact
[01:11:17] like that just like it's like aliens very closely imitating how humans speak but not exactly
[01:11:23] yeah it's so good yeah i only hurt humans it's so good i it's interesting that you would say that
[01:11:32] you have a comic where uh the characters are aged up and we see into their life because
[01:11:39] well you may not know about film microphones incredible comic dog trouble in which someone calls
[01:11:44] the video store saying do you guys have dog trouble and at the video store there is a
[01:11:48] he's a dog and dogs man yeah and he asks the movie uh is that there is a second film microphone
[01:11:56] it's comic where an old old man with a walker goes up to a gravestone and says i said do you guys
[01:12:03] have dog trouble and a ghost rises from the grave which reads video store guy and he says the movie
[01:12:10] he just fucking wanted into the ground just yes he killed the joke literally it's you have to
[01:12:19] have the DBZ mindset it's like you have to leave the crater
[01:12:25] and you know i know i think shelé bye you know actually what i think it is and i wonder if you
[01:12:30] have this feeling when you're you're writing as well because i have this in a big way and i'm not
[01:12:36] not gonna spoil Sikoshak 2 for you because, well I want it to be surprising.
[01:12:41] But there is something that happens at the end of Sikoshak 2 where again I was thinking
[01:12:46] about the audience and the thing that I wanted to happen is for the listener to be going
[01:12:55] through it and sort of get a horrible feeling of like wait a minute.
[01:12:59] Are they gonna do this?
[01:13:02] And be like no, they could possibly do that.
[01:13:06] And then like the morco sounds like wait a minute.
[01:13:08] They can't, like they see like the skyscraper come up from the horizon like no it can't
[01:13:15] possibly be there that can't possibly be it and then it's just like fuck you buddy this
[01:13:20] is what it's always been and it's just like oh my like I want a joke where when the punchline
[01:13:28] is approaching there's just like like there's no I want it to feel impossible.
[01:13:36] Like it's in there's no way and that's sort of what the dog trouble the Redux does in
[01:13:42] miniature. It's like there it's impossible to just say the joke again like that you can't
[01:13:50] possibly be just that and then it is just that and you're like god damn it he got me.
[01:13:55] I think even when jokes are not complex comedy in its current state is really complex.
[01:14:00] There are so many layers and I think it's funner now to make a joke than it was a hundred
[01:14:05] years ago because now that people have expectations and then they expect a subversion
[01:14:10] and then they expect a subversion to be subverted. And then you can at any point of those
[01:14:15] stop and play with that or engage with it or flip it around. There's more going on in the
[01:14:21] mind now when somebody looks at comedy whereas in the past you know just like our fart joke
[01:14:27] was all needed that was that was the bread and butter.
[01:14:30] I mean I was about to say like you know you should do because I just fucking talked about
[01:14:34] this and earlier you know what you do is read donkey Hote it's funny but like
[01:14:37] like. Ducky Hote really is just like a bunch of like very broad dumb gags one after the
[01:14:44] other for a hundred pages yeah I watched your cast of that episode and I'm going to
[01:14:52] I'm going to read the book.
[01:14:54] I'm so pleased I hope you like it. You got to make sure you get a good English translation
[01:15:00] because some of the old ones are written in very dry prose. The Edith Gossmann translation
[01:15:06] is the one I'm going to take cool I did not read that one but I know that that is among
[01:15:10] the best so you're going to have a great time. I know I think it is and you know we
[01:15:14] talk about how bad the internet is and me men's are pretty all that but like the fact is
[01:15:19] I think people are the average Twitter user has more joke particles enter their eyeballs
[01:15:26] per minute than a 14th century peasant had did a single week. The mere quantity of like
[01:15:33] joke that gets shot through the ether in a given second of modern time is like crazy
[01:15:40] high which actually I think that must be why we keep posting and I remember when my wife
[01:15:45] would always be like why are you looking at Twitter on your phone when it makes you furious
[01:15:49] I'm like yeah but sometimes there's a really good joke on there.
[01:15:52] I think we fill our lives with consumption to kind of feel like time freezes a little
[01:15:59] bit or at least you know we do feel a little bit immortal when we're being drowned
[01:16:04] with content yeah because if you didn't feel like that it would feel really like you're
[01:16:08] like a big waste of the most precious coin you could ever have your mortal life. Your
[01:16:15] life yeah but I mean you know if you're enjoying it like go at it.
[01:16:19] Yeah what I enjoy is reading the incredible funny gags on crawfishcomic.tumplor.com
[01:16:37] That's all the time we have for anime sickos with Chevy from Crawfish Comic. I have sung
[01:16:44] the praises of Crawfish Comic in a great length this episode but it really do have to
[01:16:48] say that if you are a person who is a fan of comedy and of cartooning like you really
[01:16:56] owe it to yourself to read Crawfish Comic as soon as possible. Like I'm not joking that
[01:17:02] these comics are like one of the most like I've gotten this excited about a piece of art
[01:17:08] in like a long time. All that shit all that shit you were saying about your process and
[01:17:13] your philosophy it's just like this is the thing that a genius would say. I'm just like
[01:17:20] I'm being hyperbolic but like legitimately like fucking like please list if you like us
[01:17:25] if you think our sense of humor is funny like you will fucking love Crawfish Comic and I
[01:17:30] know that because I'm me and I like it so like transitive property and while it all
[01:17:36] fucking checks out just do it. You should be making fucking like Casey Green this is this
[01:17:42] fine dog money off of the guy with the boulder hat who says fuck yes to the offer of free
[01:17:48] money. That's my fucking thoughts that out of the way now I get to the outro proper
[01:17:54] which is Chevy from Crawfish Comic thank you so much for joining us it's been great
[01:17:58] thank you so much yeah you can find me on Tumblr I'm it's just Crawfish Comic I came
[01:18:02] up with that name like 10 seconds and I'm nowhere else however I will publish a book one
[01:18:08] day of this stuff. Shit really? Hell yeah I'll buy that book yeah I don't know how
[01:18:13] books I don't have books work but I'll figure it out. Yeah we got a homie who knows all
[01:18:17] about crowdfunding and fulfillment yeah we can hook you up that's no problem thank you
[01:18:22] there she is an America I wonder if that's a problem anyway probably a little one
[01:18:28] any there's been so cool yeah I've been refraining from you know saying something like
[01:18:34] this because the train is kept going with a dialogue in this cast but thank you so much
[01:18:39] both of you you're both incredibly talented and just real wonders of the internet thank
[01:18:44] you so much. That's it's kind to say I'm weird actually just stupid but like it's just
[01:18:51] like hidden right these stupid is so valuable so many people take such effort to avoid
[01:18:57] looking stupid they are afraid of it they don't want to do it but if you just do it
[01:19:02] like that's just funny as hell. Sometimes you say some shit that's funny some like funny
[01:19:10] words that's just all you need you're gonna say cow tools like no one the cops aren't gonna
[01:19:14] get you cow you at home say it right now cow tools isn't that cow tools cow tools
[01:19:22] anyway I've been talking anime sicko I've been Joe and anime sicko and I've been Chevy
[01:19:29] and anime sicko. Do it all. Yeah see ya bye bye. See you.
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