212: Hundreds of Beavers is Gaming

[00:00:00] Behold, a cold open. I got another set of x-rays on my fucked up hip but that's not important because what's important is in the waiting room there was a there was a guy who just had Richard Kine's head like it was just his head and it was on just like a muscular vascular muscle guy like an like an old-timey bodybuilder body and I'm gonna tell you something Tom it was upsetting. Yeah Joe

[00:00:28] you told me about this and um I've had some time to reflect on this image to be clear of. Beloved character actor Richard Kine's head on a muscular muscular body. Man uh you know I've given this a lot of thought a lot I've tried to open my mind uh but the fact is that I it's really only one reaction

[00:00:52] that I keep uh having and it is uh uh ah that was my take. I I went up to the front desk lady I was like this is not okay you allow this uh the other thing I also thought of maybe it really was him and like that's how good this clinic is like they gave him a whole new fucking body. Famously

[00:01:17] slubby Richard Kine's head like a man who sort of shaped like a egg. Yeah now he's eight feet tall and I go up to him and I have to look straight up and say I loved you in serious man. What was it like being on Curb Your Enthusiasm? Do you really make it all up? Uh but yeah uh I have a confirmed bone impingement which uh means I get to just yell my bone is

[00:01:45] impinged and everyone has to be nice to me. Before I was hanging out with Joe one day uh and he was having difficulty uh scaling a set of stairs and everyone was like bitch of earth bitch of earth kill him and he was like I'm having real trouble and everyone was like we'll never believe it only an impingement would shut us up and Joe just cried because he had nothing in the tank to to shoot

[00:02:09] back with but now I have two confirmations of an impingement. I am just absolutely flush with excuses to complain. That said seeing Richard Kine on a muscular was so scary. It was just everything.

[00:02:54] Hello everybody welcome to Anime Sickos it's the podcast for geniuses and the only podcast where we take a look at the four pillars of modern misery anime gaming posting and jobs. I am Tom and Anime Sicko. I am Joe and Anime Sicko. So we have a Patreon. Have you heard of this? You can get such benefits as nothing. Um well no we read your name once. We read your name once. You can game the system so as to

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[00:04:43] dude. You're collapsed with no guy in your back. Yeah. Yeah it'd be no good. Uh I don't know actually which one. I think blaster was the big guy. That makes sense because the master would be calling the shots. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was switched intentionally for effect. Also well consider this. The guy on the shoulders can't be blaster because he'd be blasting directly into the back of a neck. Gross. That's true. That's true. Has to be a fully unencumbered blasting surface.

[00:05:13] Which is what the bottom guy has. Blasting surface. I don't like that. Joe uh so we I I I came to your house and made you do this. This might sound like uh uh Joe's chronic pain keeps him from doing things. No no no no no. What we're talking about it has a ramp up to get to the

[00:05:35] good part. It is difficult to have the willpower to like eat eat this treat. But when you eat the treat oh my god. We watched a movie. We watched a movie called Hundreds of Beavers. It's been recommended to us a million times. You're probably gonna think oh this is an anime episode because you call all movies anime. And Hundreds of Beavers actually has animation in it. So this is definitely

[00:05:58] an anime episode. Uh no bitch. It's gaming. It's just fucking gaming. There's like a ui. Uh the ui design is very good tom. This is the first movie with a ui. It's so like the iconography is like this feels like it's like how many pikmin like the little pikmin icon that shows how many of each pikmin you have. Like that's that's in the movie. And like you might be like um doesn't like terminator have a ui

[00:06:25] with the terminator vision. Like no no no. That's like a thing in it. Like Hundreds of Beavers has a ui which exists like purely for like your purposes to like show fast travel occurring. Correct. And also it's a slow reveal. Like it's not like oh this feels like a game. It's just like actually everything you've been looking at is in fact uh a game. Yes it is full game mode. So here's the I'm gonna give

[00:06:52] you the gist of hundreds of beavers before we get into the specifics because that's really the whole the here is the specifics. Like when you when you hear like the structure of this movie you'll understand what I mean. So this is a fucking pair of homies from Wisconsin. They made this movie uh Hundreds of Beavers totally independently and it is about a guy who made cider but his cider got destroyed

[00:07:17] and so he has to make do uh making a living being a fur trapper and the way that works is there are about one million two minute scenes of him attempting a Looney Tunes gag to do some trapping uh and initially he fails and eventually he gets better at it and his traps and schemes get more

[00:07:41] intricate and that's pretty much the whole thing. That's not an oversimplification uh if you like Looney Tunes gags and you just like to sit and think about goof logic especially as the same goof logic plays out in different contexts over the course of like an hour and a half film. This movie is wonderful for that. Oh my god it's it's it's top shelf for that uh the the reason I had uh trouble

[00:08:08] getting into it initially is like I want to be clear this movie is very fun it's all those things at the same time it's also kind of exhausting. Like at the end of the movie I had a great time. I was also sleepy. Do yes yes yes it's I was watching the second time I knew exactly how what it was going to happen I was also having a good time because I was with my friend my buddy and I was seeing you I was seeing like the the locks unlock in your head as like I because like there are certain events

[00:08:37] there are gates there are literally gates like they're insanity gates I think you'll one of your insanity gates is we will talk about this more in depth but at one point he gets a baseball bat that's like a wiffle bat and like it the the game logic is if you touch someone with the bat they die it doesn't matter how hard you hit them because it's it does fatal damage. Yes it's because this is why we talk about it's gaming the logic of this movie and this is definitely intentional

[00:09:04] is like the the world is programmed with rules and one of them is like if bat equals touch then dead and so you can see like how that might yeah and later use that logic yeah it's absolutely that uh you know when people speed run games and it's like kind of janky and it's like are they like kind of breaking the limits of the game with like what they're doing there's some of that in there too

[00:09:32] there's a fucking invisible wall joke there uh well that that is so good because there's two that's so fucking funny two right in a row ah okay so the reason the reason that we say like it's difficult to like get into this you know uh to get into the swing in the movie is because

[00:09:56] like any game with a deep system of of rules and a really expressive set of mechanics uh you're not gonna be able to get into them unless you have a big tutorial and the tutorial is really a slog to get through um because like the first like half hour of this movie is just a series of little two

[00:10:19] minute scenes where our guy is like i would like to trap a rabbit for to to have and he attempts to trap a rabbit with a trap and the trap does not work next scene and like that goes on and on and on for so long and i understand why because this movie is two homies in the woods making their gags real

[00:10:46] with no major in like there's no studio being like you have to cut half of these gags this is way too long they i mean and and to their credit every gag taken out of context and just looked at as it is is great it's fine yes the the issue is the gags at the end of the film after it has gotten out of first gear have like so many fucking multipliers on them compared to how they are at the start

[00:11:15] at the start they're funny sure however uh tom said a lot of this is showing that he's failing again and again yes the other thing which he mentioned is that he's showing the movie is showing again and again okay here are sort of the programmed logic rules of the world so you're getting a little bit taste of that as he fails the thing is you don't actually know you're getting that just yet you don't know he's going to start playing with game mechanics you're just getting

[00:11:43] the sense that oh this is like a looney tunes like failure thing yeah and like one for example is and to be clear this is essentially a silent movie i mean there is a soundtrack and there are sounds coming out of the people's mouths but it's like as joe says banjo kazooie sounds yeah it's not real uh and it's better for that yes it's just a hundred times better uh there's nothing to process except visual

[00:12:11] information and goofs yes and but but one sort of example of like you don't know you're being foreshadowed to is at one point uh something happens that makes our hero go and when that happens a woodpecker comes out of nowhere and starts uh pecking his fucking head and he goes ah and then the scene

[00:12:31] ends uh later he goes and has a look of like uh-oh and the bird comes again and then uh well i'm not gonna get into the very specifics but later on when he starts making extremely complex traps that uses all of the logic of the world he abuses the whistle mechanic he uses it to trigger traps yes yes because

[00:12:55] he can make like a fake head that looks like him and like attach things to it so that when he wants the trap to be sprung he goes and then the woodpecker like packs his fake head and destroys it and then causes a rope to like whoosh go over here and then that does the you get you so many times you don't think you're being foreshadowed to like that's a very basic example because like you can kind of tell

[00:13:21] after the second time like i bet there's going to be variations of this you know whistle and then the woodpecker like because there have been variations and i bet it's going to keep going but there are so many times when you don't know you're being foreshadowed to because how could you be this is just a movie where it's a series of visual gags like there's no foreshadowing to like what would it even be i think of the end of the hunter x hunter anime where it's like oh this is the map of the world

[00:13:50] as you can see the dark continent which we just noticed now uh is huge much of the world is actually big and scary as you zoom out and like that's what this movie is not maybe scary but like there is so much more as we slowly zoom out yes yes i was telling joe that so many parts of this movie feel like the part where you're playing cookie clicker where you're like you see the the the concept of a

[00:14:18] port like you see the portal building and it's like grayed out because it's so far away from what you're able to afford and you see that it gives you like 1.6 million cookies per second per portal and you look at like i'm making 10 000 cookies per second like i can't imagine like what kind of universe if i can do that the game's over anyway look at that cookie rate you know yeah and then you get the portal and like you feel like the guy in that um logo for uh home audio equipment who's getting

[00:14:47] blown back in his chair and you see the numbers and then like that's when you realize like wait a minute like 1.6 million cookies per second is nothing like i've been in like i've been trying to trap a rabbit for the last half hour but what i really should be going for is hundreds of beavers absolutely and i'm glad you brought that up because there's a you know most movies don't have a merchant

[00:15:13] shop like a guy you go to in between scenes to upgrade your gear there is just like this is games there's like literally a vendor who has his prices like above his little lemonade stand uh he's like a gruff old man and it's just like oh to get a axe it's like what two beavers if you want a peace pipe it is whatever this it's it's and literally when he looks at each individual item on the sign it

[00:15:42] highlights as if it's it goes like yeah oh and also this is another reason that it's a ui the little icons of the dead animals are like the same icons that show up like on the screen when he's like actually trapping them to show how many he has and also when he's like making his notes in his journal he draws the exact same icons for the animals because that's the other thing on his like

[00:16:08] when he on his map he also like draws like the tech tree of like which what beavers like not tech tree but just like what animals trump which other animals and like what they like so that the beaver goes to a pile of shit which i don't understand that's never explained but apparently beavers can't uh resist a pile of shit that has castor oil put on it i'll take their word for it skunks love frogs

[00:16:36] uh beavers also like uh carved crucifixes of jesus yes and they are yeah they like apples that have been carved out of wood oh my god so i can't like the name of the game is the specifics because like there's not a lot of plot and so it's just gonna be let's talk some signs of gags so do you want to just say the point we want to start talking about is when he gets the hat i feel like that was the

[00:17:04] turning point like where you were like did he get the hat yet when you asked me where i gave up we can get that but i just want to talk about when he at the very beginning his no tools he uh carved something with his teeth out of wood and then the second time he does that he does a big smile and his teeth are missing the third time he does it he's like so proud of what he's carved and then he spurts out an incredible amount of fake blood and then the fourth time he does it he's

[00:17:29] looking at it like from behind like you see his back and he is in like a uh a position of great pride and he goes like and like a full gallon of fake blood falls on the ground like that type of shit's good but yeah the hat the hat is he he finally gets a raccoon which is like the second tier the easiest animal to get is a is a rabbit the next easiest animal is a raccoon and then you start to

[00:17:55] get to beavers which are where you make your money and the first time he catches a raccoon he makes it into a hat because he keeps going to the merchant yeah and being like can i have some tools and he's like no you need like stuff like you need to bring me stuff i don't give it to you for free these are the like i've been programmed with these prices and so he needs to have a uh raccoon before you can have anything and once he gets the hat it's like okay like we have gotten past the part of the movie that

[00:18:24] is unrelenting failure which the thing about the unrelenting failure is that like literally it means that no progress is getting made yes by fucking definition it needs to establish these things despite that it's a feeling of treading water and i feel like that feeling is only validated because after the hat we're cooking we feel like we're making money we're learning we're progressing we're going up the tech tree there's just a sense of momentum yes like when he gets two beavers i can

[00:18:53] buy whatever thing costs two beavers it feels like holy shit i never thought we'd make it here and then like 20 minutes after that two beavers is like nothing like you know what it actually is like the movie like the the gate the gate that gets to the next like act the thing that is actually occurring is basically like those games those phone games where like you have a bunch of things passively generating income and you like after a certain amount of time has passed you tap it and

[00:19:22] and like you harvest it and you get like that is literally the like the movie for the middle part is just and again you see the map you see the ui i'm not being i'm not being facetious here he's walking in a circle through all the major fucking hexagons of the map and that was the other thing they established that he has fast travel okay there is fast travel in the world because there's like holes that cause portals just like you kind of like very loony to it's like you go in a hole and you come out the other side joe mentioned like it's so funny how everything is the same

[00:19:50] distance away and i'm like joe it's literally like a board game where you set up a bunch of hexagons and that's the map and he's just like flipping over the next hexagon and like every hexagon has one notable object on it it's a resource of the world point of interest uh oh my god he's just going around to all of his points of interest and collecting his passive income and eventually he has enough animals that he can get a new object which will allow his build to be

[00:20:20] even better uh so that's you can see the the formula here so the task is like can you make this interesting for an hour and a half like can you is it is the formula there and the answer is fucking yes i will say and we've sort of alluded to this but i want to make it like clear because some people might watch this on a recommendation and i want them to know that we felt this too so

[00:20:44] it's not weird if you feel it when you're in the tutorial section and he's just like doing he's trying to get rabbits and the only thing that he has to do that is like basically making snow rabbits and like putting snow boobs on a snow rabbit to make a rabbit horny uh when you're just watching that happen over and over and over and over you might think as we both did like that

[00:21:09] we're evil and dumb like maybe like maybe this is a piece of shit like maybe we got overhyped and got sold a false bill of goods because like this is just i don't know about this i'm not i'm not loving this this is actually kind of feeling tiring and repetitive it's normal to feel that way the pacing of this movie is to be clear extremely stupid any like experienced filmmaker who like

[00:21:35] knows about like the studio system would know like you can't pace a movie like this it's gonna make people fucking insane well yes but when you pull it off with this much sort of chutzpah it ends up it like circles back around to being amazing but like you might have that experience in the beginning just letting you know that's not crazy you're not like not getting it also if you listen to our show

[00:22:03] there's a good chance you understand video game concepts so you might not need a full 20 minute hand-holding uh logic tutorial uh before it really gets going and you might find it especially annoying don't worry your knowledge and love of video game mechanics will be rewarded if you just like was there were a few times where i was just like okay so this is so this is the level you've ascended to it's like seeing goku go up the super saiyans in front of beerus i'm like ah i see yes

[00:22:33] we need to talk about how the movie looks because this is a huge thing and it is a major reason why it's so good and one of the reasons it's so good is that again this is a super indie thing this is just two two homies made this whole thing and it only cost the budget at least that's reported i don't know i can't tell you how accurate this is 150 000 even that's all it took to make this movie so you're

[00:23:03] like how could they do how could a movie with so many animals be made that cheaply because animals cost a lot because you need to have uh trained animals and you have to have their handlers on set and it's like you have to make sure they're safe how did what how are you gonna do that and also like to have make the animals like participate in the gags perfectly like that's tough how do we do it big fucking mascot suits that's all the animals beavers rabbits wolves same height they're people

[00:23:31] sized doesn't matter is there gore no because inside every animal is a bunch of stuffed organs by which i mean a big stuffed heart a big stuffed lungs stuffed intestines and packing peanuts so the and so you're forgetting the funniest fucking part that in every animal there is a human science class skeleton underneath all of that fucking yes uh so here's the thing like it's funny to do like

[00:23:57] the gags to be like oh we're this is our low budget sort of approach but here's the thing it becomes a stylized choice that like kicks ass more than if they had money uh when the violence really gets cooking the the stuffing and the the the packing peanuts especially they do a lot of heavy lifting because there is some insane violence in this that is uh remains goofy and funny because everybody's filled

[00:24:24] with fluff uh uh there is one example i think uh is that like even fluff can't like do this is there's uh you know that section in turtles in time when you're surfing in the sewer yeah okay there's that basically uh on sleds and at what point the main guy just has like his hunting elephant gun and he just shoots a beaver and it just like takes off the top of his skull with like the packing peanuts and it's just like

[00:24:52] oh shit like that that was the the the cute logic but like oh it's still a gun it's so fucking i mean this happens so many times where like the the movie will sort of lull you into a a pace you know like a killing a beaver will take this much time and it will take this much of a convoluted scheme and or trap to do it and so like after you've seen that so many times to have it just

[00:25:21] be like take my gun turn around pow and like boom oh it's it's great also the once in one scene he grabs a beaver by like it's well because it's a costume you can grab it by like the scruff of the chest and he uppercuts the big beaver head off uh and as it shoots off obviously packing peanuts are flying out and there is the fucking science class skull still there sticking out of the costume

[00:25:51] and it's like the first time you see this is when he brings his first uh raccoon to the shop because the shop owner's daughter who's in love with him who's like an npc who like she's like a monster hunter character like you come back from your hunt and you're like here's what i got and then she carves it up for you so what she does is she takes the beaver apart and gives you coins yes and that's like the

[00:26:17] first time you see the inside of one of these animals and like she opens it up and this is so fucking smart because like you see an entire scene we're just focusing specifically on like okay here is what we got for our effects you know we have a stuffed animal heart we have a big zig ziggy zaggy intestine against stuffed and like we have packing peanuts and everyone's treating this like it's like he like the our main character is going like yuck when he like sees the packing peanuts come out

[00:26:47] as soon as you do that scene as soon as that's over you can do any violence you want well yes but also it's no longer like a budget constraint that this is how we're doing the animals it it's like it's an end limitation which gives you a boost yes yes yes it's like if they had if they like got a studio being like we would love you to remake hundreds of beavers with a huge budget here's 10

[00:27:12] million dollars to do this again that's probably true but i feel like even if even if they knew exactly what to do and could make it so that it did work even with all the money in the world they they they they should not and i don't think these guys would change how the animals are i think they would still have packing peanuts and stuffies and a science class skeleton even if they had all the

[00:27:35] money in the world because it's just so fucking funny it's so good yeah oh joke talk about the horse okay yeah uh as you know we got full body animals uh there is a horse uh there is a uh first nations guy who has a horse he's he trades what a peace pipe for an axe at some point and the axe is really uh a huge power upgrade because the way he kills beavers is by uh chopping down trees that

[00:28:04] crush them so that really kicks things up so his horse is just obviously uh it would not be a surprise to hear me say the horse is just like two guys but like it's not even kind of good like like the the the the beaver suits the wolf suit like they all like they're big costumes okay like

[00:28:33] if you were at some sort of theme park and you saw the the animals you'd be like fine if you saw the horse you'd be like this is fucked uh why is this a lot uh they made it so all of the breaks in the costume are like guaranteed to be a human face or something obviously not the horse uh he i mean

[00:28:57] just say nothing of like there's the horse like the horse head like has a hole for the person who's wearing his face like built it on purpose here it's just it's a complete like middle distance like you know what it's like pretend you're dead yes yes yes yes pretend you're a corpse because like the you know in sort of banjo kazooie sound pantomime like the native american trapper is like

[00:29:24] saying like i love like this is my horse i love my horse like it's so good and like there's a close up of him like petting the horse's head and there's like just some fucking guy again with like a corpse face trying to look uh as unimprovesome as possible it's so fun and then later i mean we've seen a number of times him caring for his horse he's with his horse at one point in the climax he's like

[00:29:48] i have to spring into action and he jumps on his horse and he's like yeah let's go and it is so fucking funny because it looks exactly like a grown man jumping on the back of someone who is hunched over under a sheet and trying to go oh god and it's just like at that point especially in the movie

[00:30:10] like the build is so intense that like our guy our main guy is like he's like high level like he knows all the spells he's like succeeding constantly he's implementing crazy plans and crazy schemes and crazy traps that are like killing beavers by the dozen and so like he is like super competent and so we're used to seeing things working and when he gets on the horse and it just fucking falls apart and it's like

[00:30:38] clearly two guys oh yes yes this movie does such a great job of like setting up like this is how it works this is how it works and then having one gag be like the opposite of that but in a way that doesn't actually it's the uh exception that proves the rule as opposed to just like violating it so i gotta tell you i'm gonna be really honest with you i have no idea what that that phrase the exception that proves did it sound smart i don't know what it means either uh yeah yeah well now you

[00:31:07] made me show my ass well okay you're you're just mirroring me to make me save face you actually know that's what that's what we're gonna go with but like i just use it to mean like when something breaks a rule but i'm like pissy about it and want to prove like the rule is still good i'm like it's the exception that proves the rule what is that in what sense does it prove the rule anyway what it means is uh despite what is happening i'm still right yes i mean yes obviously that's what it

[00:31:34] actually means but like i don't know why those words got chosen to mean that anyway back to what you were saying so i have two vectors here i want to touch on one i want to talk about goof vectors again with the specific example of uh the shop keepers platoon thing oh yes yes and then uh the other thing i want to touch on uh which the horse does and we said this when we're watching it it's like okay we have this this this movie that has like very goofy looney tunes physics one of the wonderful things you can do

[00:32:05] is if you have a cartoon or whatever or a movie like this that's fantastical and it's fucking physics just switch back to real physics for once in a while just like once yes one or two minutes just like a gagger and it's so fucking funny yeah because a lot of the times when a uh you know a log will fall on a beaver it'll be going crazy fast and it'll make a big comedy blam sound effect

[00:32:31] and uh like huge clouds of packing peanuts will come out and also this is another video game logic thing like it has been programmed that like when animal equals dead eyes equals x instantly as soon as their health is zero they got x's yes like it'll be one frame transition like x um but like there is a couple of times when there is like a visible trap on screen where you see all the components of this trap and there is like a log that's gonna fall and like that's the that's the thing that's the main

[00:32:59] part of the trap and the beaver walks in springs the trap and they don't augment the footage at all so like the this prop log which is clearly not heavy because they don't want to kill the actor yes he it falls down and does like zero damage but the beaver dies anyway yeah he he falls with like he falls the way you would see like an old person fall that's not funny

[00:33:28] it's just realistic god yeah and then the other sort of physics juke that we both fucking like died at is later on uh our guy's in like basically a hunting lodge and there are fish mounted on the wall and he's trying to fight a bunch of beavers in like a martial arts fight and he takes one of these fish off the wall and like all fish it's a stuffed animal and so it's really floppy and he's like he's like

[00:33:56] fighting with it's a sword fish so like it has a sword that you know how it goes and then to like end the scene he just takes the whole fish hauls off and throws it as hard as he can at a beaver's head and the sound it makes is like a bag of wet sand and he fucking reacts like they must have actually filled that sucker up with stuff because he really is his he becomes a gary's mod yes it's

[00:34:23] just like the most wet slap sound and then his body becomes ragdoll and it's very quick and it's just again uh you just get hit with reality for a second and it keeps going yes i mean also just like the the sound effect of the bitch hitting the beaver's head is like 10 times louder than anything else it's like oh they just go right past it i fucking love it uh so goof vectors i want to talk about the

[00:34:51] spittoon thing what do i mean by this it's like a lot of these gags have like their origins from the the jump like from the beginning his failures you see goofs in some sort of way one of those is every time he has an interaction with the shopkeeper who doesn't like him because like uh he's not good at trapping he's not good at trapping he has a daughter uh he's worried everyone's gonna marry his daughter you know that sort of thing and he likes to you know stay away from my daughter he

[00:35:18] doesn't say this but like in his npc way and then he'll do a cartoonish like spit to do you know this chewing tobacco spit uh at a spittoon um and it he misses and so like i think over the course of the film that means there's like eight spittoon gags it's a tall order to make it interesting on the seventh time after he'd been sitting through a very taxing movie but they fucking do like it's he

[00:35:46] spits he misses he spits it splits into two to go into two buckets they both miss the one that we can't stand that we think about a lot is he's like big cartoonish chewing and he spits into his gun and then aims it at the the spittoon and shoots and fucking misses just shoots the ground right next to it because as soon as you see him go whoosh-a-whoosh-a-whoosh because he does a big cartoon

[00:36:10] whoosh-a-whoosh-a-whoosh-a and you're like okay i know he's gonna miss the spittoon and but like every single time he does something beforehand that requires more and more and more precision and he does that perfectly and you're like surely it's not gonna and admit like and then at the end would you believe that the shopkeeper tries to spit directly at our hero and what are the rules the rules are this man can never make the spittoon shot so as the thing is coming at him he holds up

[00:36:38] the spittoon which causes it to uh change direction as if it is a ghost it's so because like this is why our guy is like so smart because like he actually like can learn and like i get so proud when he like makes it work because like he he wants to get fish because fish fish are not the goal but fish are a

[00:37:03] resource that it's good to have and this is again there's so many different resources and so at first he tries to get a fish he just puts a hook in the water it doesn't work he puts a fly on the hook it doesn't work he puts a maggot on the hook it doesn't work he realizes if i bite my finger um blood comes out so i'll put my bloody finger in the water a fish likes the blood it bites it and so that's how he gets fishes at first and eventually he's like oh i know what i'll do time to scale up yeah i have some

[00:37:30] meat and i'll put the meat on a hook and then i'll have a snowman uh hold the hold the fishing pole and then i come back later and i get the fish and like he walks away from this setup so proud and a fish comes bites the fucking hook and we go back up above the water and we see what would happen which is the fucking fishing pole as soon as it gets pulled at all immediately falls out of the snowman and gets pulled under and so we're like oh what a dumbass like he's fucked it again

[00:37:59] eventually the native american trapper trades like he's got like this is the secondary market you know we have the market where you have to use currency but then there's like a trading quest like for the big goron sword from ocarina of time that is the native american trapper where he gives him one of those like stick fish traps like the fish can like it's like a cage and the fish can swim in but it can't

[00:38:23] swim out and so he buys one reverse engineers it makes like 20 and he puts them all in the river and all of them are connected to a snowman up above that when a fish goes in the trap it gets heavier and pulls one of the arms down and pulls the other arm up so it looks like it's raising its hand saying i got one and like when you see him do this and like it's working my boy is learning you do feel a sense

[00:38:50] of pride did you mention that he catches 10 fish at once because he bites all of his fingers and sticks them in the water that's so fucking funny yes this is okay so i wrote this down because i hadn't thought of this until now but this is a good time to bring it up which is the hundreds of beavers in addition to being gaming it's nen we talk so often about how nen is funny because they at they make the rules

[00:39:13] and then uh the entire story is now what are like the most insane ways we can imply these rules like what is the edge case that like requires a real freak rules lawyer to be like um actually doesn't that mean that you can do this and it's like well in this case yes in this case doing that is the whole point and like that's what we mean it's like he's like if bloody finger in water then fish and he's

[00:39:37] like uh if bloody finger in water times 10 then 10 fish it just happens so i want to talk about this moment that we we alluded to it with the wiffle bat but i want to actually specifically describe it and i don't know if this is going to be a spoiler if this is interesting to you you got to see this movie and even if you describe the gags it's not the same as seeing them someone still has to make them you understand that like you have to look at it with your eyes us talking is not the same

[00:40:03] so we discussed how the wiffle bat he gets as a as a weapon you know you hit a beaver with it they die it doesn't matter how hard you hit them it can be like a on the back they just die because it's because it's the golden gun yes so have that in your mind we also see there's a time where he's like with a great trapper it's basically it's like he's with minwoo from final fantasy 2 where it's just like oh my god like this guy is like high level like this guy's great and then the high level

[00:40:29] character dies like minwoo and it's like oh my god not even minwoo could do it i'm gonna have to be better than him wow incredible and one of the things that the expert trapper teaches our guy is a way to make a spitty trap where you put a log with like a spike on the end and you wind it way way up and then when a beaver takes the bait it spins around and impales them and he's like great and

[00:40:55] he makes one and he sets it up and a beaver takes the bait but he didn't wind it up enough and the spike doesn't make it to the just kind of touches his belly yeah yeah it winds it up more uh but this time he winded up too much so it does get the beaver impales the beaver but it makes an incredible it's a giant fan and it makes a big tube of wind that's incredibly powerful and so then we end up with

[00:41:20] he has done one of those and he has set it up to be constantly spinning so that it is just like a fucking like tube of wind from fucking zelda breath of the wild you can imagine like in a game boy game in like a zelda dungeon how it's depicting a gust of wind across tiles that is how it is depicted yes and a beaver gets caught up in this wind and is being blown uh through this tube of wind and we then

[00:41:47] see that there is another opposite tube of wind that like leads to an area of total neutrality where things just float in midair and floating in the middle of this area is the wiffle bag and so beavers just drift into it at zero miles per hour and then bump dead and then it zooms out and it shows all the corpses that are stuck floating because this contraption has caught many beavers

[00:42:14] uh and it's it's the specific thing of like the impact doesn't matter it just upon contact fatal damage taken to the ultimate like end point mm-hmm mm-hmm god damn do you want to talk about the sherlock holmes beaver yeah why not give me give me the gist show so as our boy sort of gets momentum

[00:42:38] and uh is killing beavers on the regular uh the beavers which are building a dam which is kind of ominously growing in the background into an obelisk uh they have they're starting to notice that like someone's killing them uh so there's a beaver sherlock holmes and a beaver watson that get deployed to find out and they're basically just like any other beaver except they just watch the

[00:43:06] other beavers die sometimes uh and when we say beaver sherlock holmes it's a guy wearing a beaver costume and then on top of that is a sherlock holmes hat and sherlock holmes cape and the other guy has a watson hat and a watson mustache on the beaver costumes it's so fucking funny eventually a guy gets like he's in the midst of like getting the hundreds of beavers because again another incredible

[00:43:34] move like the title card that says hundreds of beavers with like the production logo an hour in yes an insane amount of time in uh like the like the credits are an insane amount they're like half an hour maybe 40 minutes in and when i watched it for the first time i thought i had like looked at my phone or something because it like explained like so and so as our fur trapper so and so as the

[00:44:01] merchant so and so as the furrier in and then there's no like i thought i missed what they were in no you just have to wait another hour to see what they're in it's hundreds of beavers anyway he's getting hundreds of beavers he gets like arrested by the beavers over mass i have a which i have a key point i gotta say oh give me uh we're talking video games right yes talking video games means you got to eventually have the argument like what's the difference between final

[00:44:28] fantasy six and chrono trigger like what makes them different like what makes chrono trigger better is that it has the court scene yes and yeah okay so uh yes would you believe that there's a uh court part there's a he's he's put on trial for his crimes and he is he's assigned a beaver public

[00:44:51] defender which is so fucking funny i want to be clear there's still no more words uh uh the the court sequence is amazing because as you might sort of get from how we're describing it the movie has been very fast cuts and gags up until this point and now there's just like long tracking

[00:45:12] shots of court and all and like oh my god so like the beaver prosecutor like has a slideshow that explains what he's been doing and how beavers are being uh furred and fur is being sent to europe to make hats and this guy is the guy who's making that possible and the beaver court the beaver jury and

[00:45:38] the beaver gallery is gasping and again like the beaver public attorney doesn't say words but like when it's about to go up it says banjo kazooie tones that clearly indicate like don't worry buddy i got this it gets up to give it sort of counter defense dude he falls immediately and immediately fucking i was not prepared i wasn't i wasn't when he's in court like two things one when you see the court is

[00:46:07] on the inside of this dam that they've been building throughout and like we've been seeing it get bigger and bigger every time our boy walks past it and he has had zero curiosity about it whatsoever um which is very funny but like when we go inside this dam which is where the court is it becomes clear that he really is like one of the murderers of all time because it is essentially just human society like these are just fucking people they have one problem in society it's him yes he is

[00:46:35] the van he's like the i am legend vampire wait no they're all vampires the human is the vampire because he's the one killing that's the whole twist i remember um but as you mentioned like there is the turtles in time like uh surfing in the sewer level there are so many like but it's also a donkey kong mine cart level like there are so many times when like they're they're on this log flume and like it

[00:47:01] does there are donkey kong dick freeze thing which is amazing which is when you bounce off a platform you destroy it so you feel like as you as you lurch forward you're like destructive and creative it's so awesome yeah and like there's uh like they're whooshing past and like there are obstacles that are some are high and some are low and so like you have to jump and you have to duck and like there are two other beavers trying to get him and like one by one they like do the wrong thing and like they duck when they should jump and jump and they should duck and it's like this is a fucking game

[00:47:30] this is gaming dude like i'm playing like they just need to put fucking quick time events and it doesn't even you don't even need to make their be any different like you don't have to have a fail state you can just be fucking pretend i would still have a controller in my hand and go like hey when like a shows up i would love it so we won't specifically spoil this but i will leave this cut out there are

[00:47:52] a few gags or rather locations i guess on the map that had maybe gags i missed or i just didn't get it uh like oh i didn't really get what was happening there uh like for instance there's a scene where he like walks into the scene it's very like third person point and click like the thing of interest is in the middle of the screen and he walks up and he has question marks over his head and goes

[00:48:16] hmm and it just kind of moves on at the time i was like maybe i didn't get that joke or maybe there's something i missed no nothing is missed there are specifically four fucking points of interest for post game uh that are held out in front of you and presented in what i can only feel like a magician's reveal yes it really because in a pure magician fashion they showed you everything

[00:48:45] but they misdirected you because like these points of interest where you're just like do i miss the joke like i don't get what the gag is here which is unusual because these gags are not subtle and you're just like huh but they're so short like he goes up like there's one that's just he sees a big ice cube that's like 10 feet by 10 feet and he's like what the fuck and you're just like huh these scenes last like maybe five seconds each and there's like four of them so that's 20 seconds in a movie that's

[00:49:11] like an hour and a half um so you see that you're confused but by the end by this big set piece at the end you have totally fucking forgotten about this there's no chance it's still in your mind because you're absorbed by what's happening now you've seen so many kills there's no way you're thinking about the cube and then they do a reveal of what those four things were and man like i we're talking about gates we're talking about this movie as gates and like gates both in that like

[00:49:41] this gate and suddenly like just the scale is different because his ability to kill beavers has like leveled up and it's exponentially scaling and like you hit another gate and it's another explosion of and then the beavers are also on their own trajectory yeah well that too but but there are also gates of like your experience as a watcher like seeing the the as we described the floating wiffle bat that just kills flying beavers that drift into it like when i saw that the first

[00:50:10] time that's what i'm like okay my earlier doubt that maybe this was overhyped is gone because that was like that's my favorite thing that i've ever seen in my life and when i was watching this with joe for the first time you had exactly the same reaction i was looking at you and you were just like okay you know what does it it's the fact that the exes show up immediately upon the little bunk

[00:50:32] it's fucking killer but yes it it was uh you know what it was it was like in fighting mangas where like a guy is so strong you don't realize you're in danger and it was like oh my god i just realized i'm actually in danger like i now sense the killing intent yes and so there's that that's that's the gate that gets you into like oh i'm watching like a great fucking movie and then when you get through

[00:51:00] reveal of what those four things you didn't understand were that's when it's just like we're dealing with fucking geniuses so they like invented movies i know they didn't do it first but effectively as far as i'm concerned they invented movies and like i can understand like this movie is i looked up you know what do people think about this obviously a lot of people think what we think but there is not a small amount of people i think it's like nearly half and half

[00:51:28] who just like hate this movie they cannot stand it they they can't get through it um they just turn they're like this is not funny it's just purely a slog and i hate it and i like to have sicko mindset and be like different things ever different people and it doesn't make you a bad person and not like something but in this case if you don't like hundreds of beavers you are a hater and loser and i i spit on

[00:51:56] we have we have midwest pride about this we we feel that this is a cultural artifact that is part of our identity now we're claiming it uh i know the upper midwest is different culturally than chicago but like i it feels good to know that your your neighbors split the atom yeah i think the reason that it's so hateful to me to to shit on this movie and why i feel that only a villain could do it

[00:52:22] is you must understand that you're not watching like a studio product you were watching two fucking wisconsin boys who wrote so many visual gags that they were like we have to go to the and that's the thing they went to the woods like this is shot in the woods like we have to go to the woods with our

[00:52:44] camera and shoot the gags like they you understand like they could have done anything else you know like the the chance that this was going to make any money and it has somehow the chance that this is going to make any money is basically zero like they just like this is why i identify with it so much because like two boys from the midwest who have to do their artistic thing that that no one will want

[00:53:10] uh who does that remind you of like it's so it's so beautiful and like if you're like slapstick is i don't like slapstick blah blah blah the pacing is so bad they should have cut yeah yes the pacing is bad and yes they should have cut some gags but you have to understand like why why would they not oh it's because it's too this is not again this is not like a studio product meant to be like a perfect machine

[00:53:36] of entertainment this is like two fucking freaks who are like let's get drunk and go to the woods and shoot our gags man and like that's so beautiful even if they even if you just read a story about this happening and then like the end was like and the footage was lost in a fire you'd still be like well i love hundreds of beavers for what it represents but it didn't get lost in a fire and

[00:54:01] it is extremely good it is uh regarding the pacing and what he's saying i'm of two minds uh i agree completely with like a the reason i bounced off this initially is the reasons tom is describing that said the the slowness and the meanderingness at the end of the day makes where it winds up even

[00:54:29] fucking funnier uh yeah so i can't be too upset about the pace it's just like one of those things where it's just like in terms of absolute distance by having that pace at the start it but what's happening at the end you are just like i have been through the gauntlet i have done new game plus you are just completely aware of how your context has changed and i think it works for that reason but

[00:54:54] you have to get through it yes yes yes it's all of it works on paper and i that's something that we discussed is like how much like what was the writing process like did they like write a script or was it just like a uh spreadsheet of gags that they like it shows from um another thing about the the pacing uh is that uh this is a movie that especially because it is essentially silent

[00:55:19] uh and because every single little gag adds to sort of the logic and rule set of the movie is like you cannot be doing something like this is a single screen only movie if you have your phone out if you're playing a game if you look down for like 10 seconds you're dead you're fucking dead you're fucking like you're missing you're gonna miss the fucking part where they

[00:55:45] establish the rules of the wiffle bat we talked about intentionality with merit a little bit about land parties and this is an example like you need to sit and watch the movie it's movie time sit watch the movie and only the movie obviously it's like a cinephile is gonna say oh that goes for every movie but like let's be real i look at my phone sometimes during movies i don't even like

[00:56:11] looking at my phone and i look at my phone yeah dude um there's nothing good on there uh but but this one is just like you know like literally like literally if you take your eyes off the screen like you will you will miss the tutorial that says like to open the chest press a and then you're going to be the game grumps being like oh no i opened the chest this game's badly designed it's possible to open the chest and it's like no no it was kind of sign you just weren't looking

[00:56:41] kind of were doing seinfeld that was fun seinfeld he is a fucked up type of guy oh speaking of fucked up types of guys so the two guys that the who were in charge in charge who made this movie they both wrote it one also directed and the other was the star like the main guy who's doing the slaps the writer director this is a totally normal like i love this guy's name it's pure midwest

[00:57:07] uh white bread guys mike cheslik perfect comforting i trust this the writer star is named fucking strap in folks for some bullshit rylan brixton and somehow i'm not done coal somehow i'm not done twos so one more time everything together rylan brixton coal twos

[00:57:36] so my immediate thought uh this is not midwest appropriate as a name it's got too many names it's four names that's that's two people that's greedy yeah you're showing off uh obviously as midwesterners we take issue with this uh and we feel a sense of ownership over this movie because like we've adopted it into our cultural heritage so i would just suggest that like maybe

[00:58:01] knocking two of those names off uh maybe making one of them an actual first name yeah just like go with coal twos that'll do you coal is a is an acceptable first name even though it's a last name um rylan brixton is like a very precautious child like we're out of rylan brixton license plates and the gift shop uh what's that my son's name is also rylan brixton not not acceptable i mean i say not

[00:58:30] acceptable but i've ever met this guy the first thing i would say is sir the way that you fall on your fucking ass and throw fish at beavers has rendered me completely willing to forgive your ridiculous name come on our podcast the other thing this game game i said game it's true you know you're not wrong don't correct yourself because there's nothing to correct the other thing this movie game

[00:58:55] does that i guess is like unacceptable uh is that it it tricked me into wanting to play like survival craft games again because i'm literally seeing a guy like just successfully go up the complexity of a survival craft game and i'm like oh that looks kind of fun and the thing is no it's not fun i'm only watching the good parts the the the part that i don't like is also the part of the movie that

[00:59:21] sucks which is him trying to get food for 20 minutes yeah you know like how do i like how how do i hit a tree with my bare hand enough to get three wood um here's the yeah no i i totally agree with you that it makes the like it makes me like want to play pal world which is basically what these kinds of games are it's just i mean what what are the pals but beavers and like what you you get you know three wood and four fiber and you make that you make bed and like oh now that i have bed i can

[00:59:49] do and like it gets you in that mindset of like if i just get this resource then i'll be able to get this which may be able to be able to get this and then i'll be able to get that and then i'll be able to get that and this will make me have exponential scaling and it's like oh this is so fucking fun the thing that i have to keep reminding myself is that in hundreds of beavers when he makes his

[01:00:10] progress what actually comes of that is a funny gag in these video games like when you unlock like bad the thing that comes from that is you will now spawn someplace more convenient when you die yeah it's like i don't care like it's like um when we were playing wrath of the lamb

[01:00:35] and like the really late game buildings that are like really specialized and like the game's not hard enough to need them yeah and so technically i can get the resources and build them but just like i don't like this is not this is not like what i don't care and i feel like that that's why i never get tempted by these survival games because it's like well it's just the only rewards are just the things that it has already you know like it's a closed system like yeah and if the system itself

[01:01:04] does not feel like look if the idea of just going up the tech tree or getting those things is itself interesting it's clear that like that's the point of the thing for you right like you get to play in the the slop the spreadsheet slop but i agree completely yeah i think also having played cookie clicker before any of these sort of ruins me because like if if you want a game that the only thing the only reward you're going for is like again pure game like the game offers you just more of that

[01:01:33] why would i why would i go for something that's cookie clicker with a lot of tedious extra shit when i could just play cookie clicker there needs there needs to have an extrinsic reward the extrinsic reward in this game hundreds of beavers is a funny joke that i laugh at haha like the extrinsic reward for like dark souls type game is i fight a cool boss with the combat system i like and i'm having fun out out of the game in my life this fucking these these pow worlds it's like

[01:01:59] you can get crafting bench level three it's like i care not for crafting bench level three you can take that away i don't want that i would say my experience with this genre because again it's a game and not a movie is that i am very excited about crafting bench level one uh very pumped about crafting bench level two when i get three i want to fucking die and i hate the time i spent getting

[01:02:25] here yeah uh but you don't have that all for this with this because they are playing i love it hundreds of beavers um i don't know if i want to fully spoil these bits because yeah they're very fun they're very funny and it goes with what we were saying of like the game the game the game will condition you'd be like this is how this is like the shape of the bits you know this is how these little chunks

[01:02:53] of movie go okay and then they give you one that while it doesn't actually break any of the programmatic logic of the movie switches things up so much that you're caught out and you are it's double funny because it's funny on its face and then also you oh what it's i don't it sounds very stupid and like stonery to like phrase it like this but it is truly like the feeling of is this

[01:03:16] happening like uh like you do feel that you're on a ride and you thought you would be getting off soon and then it does a u-turn and it's something different there are two moments in the movie where uh we've talked about it being a silent film with banjo kazooie noises and it is this broke me

[01:03:38] it broke my brain there are two moments where they just say words extremely clearly like a real movie i'll spoil it i don't care he yells oh shit at some point in like an hour in and they bleep it which is hysterical wait they do yeah it was beeped that's so fucking good uh but it hits like a truck because he's only been talking like one way and then

[01:04:06] all of a sudden he does a different thing it's if you want a wonderful example in action of like how much juice you can get out of just like here is a common thing we're gonna make one little iteration on a vector of a goof or a visual joke this is it you get to see wonderful mutations of the same joke that honestly never get old the only part that gets old is before they have the combo meter really going god we haven't talked about this is another video game thing i just want

[01:04:33] to talk about this because it's so fucking good and maybe it's maybe it would have been better earlier but fucking sue me i don't fucking care talk about video games there are he's there's a corpse run like the the expert trapper gets killed by wolves and like his big all of his xp which is to say his bag of beavers is in the wolves den and this is such a key point in every survival game because there's always that fucking area you can't get to because you die instantly and you spend it

[01:05:01] like maybe i can get in there and then you get killed yes so like he he wants to go into the wolf standing and retrieve the uh the dropped experience and i mean it's it's one of the you know points of interest on his map that he walks around in a circle checking every time and every time he comes back he has gained a lot of experience and uh material on his previous circuit and so the first

[01:05:25] time like again it's like a dungeon with a little red skull floating above it he goes in he's like i wonder how far i can get oh not very far he used to run out and he keeps going in and in and in and deeper and deeper and deeper and when he finally like again is like he's such a dumbass our main character and like he's kind of like a goofy idiot because he's like a slapstick guy who doesn't talk

[01:05:49] but when he like displays like real thought and planning and like has internalized all the logic of the world that's been shown to him and uses it to create this like multi-part plan all of which every step of which we've seen how it works and why it would work it's like i like i've never been again this is this is midwest pride like i've never been prouder of my boy because like not only is

[01:06:16] this a character doing this but like this is my boy like this is this is midwest pride at work these are not like big time uh hollywood folks these are not like if this was if they made hundreds of beavers in new york they'd be like we gotta cast dasha in a cameo and it's like no she would be the keeper keeper's daughter for sure i i just love this movie i don't know what else to say

[01:06:44] uh this would be something i would enjoy seeing at the music box for sure they probably had it there at some point i think like the way that they made money is they just put it in like festivals and like it would like get screen oh i'm looking at the fucking wikipedia it literally calls out that it was shown in the music box early in its in its life yeah like they just submitted to the festivals and

[01:07:10] had like independent theaters like show it for like a week and it just keeps going and going and going and going and going getting more and more freaks like us into its thrall because like it came out and what did it come out came out in 2022 but like it's only now sort of like reaching like big appeal and and uh big audience and i think that's so good oh here's actually you said what more can i say here's

[01:07:34] what you can say you can watch hundreds of beepers legally and for free on youtube right now uh so why don't you do that uh if for some reason you are connected to these guys we would love to interview them i would just ask them goof science questions i was like let me see can you show me your math on some of these goofs uh i'm very interested in hearing more about the process um so i'm putting

[01:08:00] that out in the world like i would be like if you could share with me the google sheets that has all the gags in it and i know that i know you have one if it's not a google sheet it's something but there is an asset somewhere yes gosh but is that because i'm like i like it has to be that they like just came up with like an insane amount of gag so they'd have like incredible amounts of raw material but then i'm thinking about again all the foreshadowing which you don't know you're you're getting and it's like

[01:08:28] well they had like the order really matters like it really matters that like you see him make this uh trap that gets a rabbit and flings them a mile away at this point because now like you know the flinging is on the table which god take away this movie's so good after this movie ends it's just oh so this was made by geniuses for sure

[01:08:56] i always say people people are like who would your ideal anime sickos guest be and a lot of the times it's people who are just interested and a lot of the times it's like people who are trying to help the podcast grow and it's like you need to come up with your reach guest who's your reach guest my answer is always tim robinson and when it's someone who's trying to help us they always go like oh well not like not that kind of reach so like like we'll never fucking get that on the same level is mike cheslick and ryland

[01:09:22] sorry i can't say his name with 11 ryland bricks and coal twos get them on where are you guys show us the google sheet with all of the goofs uh hell yeah anyway is there anything more to say if we covered it no it's if you can get through the first 20 minutes you will be rewarded this is a single screen viewing i'm repeating this again intentionality intentionality intentionality sit down and watch a movie and actually watch a movie uh and if it's exhausting and you hate it you can yell at tom not me yeah

[01:09:52] you know what i will say you i can guarantee that you have not seen anything like this it is so weird and so unique and so itself that that's i think a core of why this fills us with such warmth of midwestern pride because like this is guys in the woods doing gags black and white silent

[01:10:18] movie hilariously low budget beaver costumes adobe after effects animation effects that look so fake but in a fun way whenever he climbs up a tree they make a point to make it look like it's so fucking clearly him in front of a green screen like hugging like a mattress or something and he's like inching up and it's like very clung i love it it's so good oh there are so many times when there are

[01:10:44] beavers walking on a uh a background that's added in later and the beavers the the speed at which they move on the x-axis is not the fucking same as how their feet are moving and it's funny every time these sort of low budget things that look fake if you don't try to hide it it doesn't like it makes it better this is why like if they gave him 15 million dollars they would not change the beaver

[01:11:14] costumes because they are fucking perfect they are supposed to look like shit they are supposed to have stuffies in them it's so funny that the skeleton inside doesn't really look it looks like a science class skeleton because it is 100 that because that's the cheapest skeleton you can buy i love it what is it about uh movies that lends itself to the very important feature of uh made with buds i guess music

[01:11:40] can do this too but there's something about movies because it's such a production it's such a problem solving process i think the key is it is the biggest scope that two buds with a with a hair up their ass could possibly pull off for example if you if you decrease the scope to a podcast there is nothing

[01:12:08] interesting inherently in two buds making a podcast that's what two buds do that's what they've done since the dawn of time podcast is just talking two buds in a band again all you that's how that's bands like that's bands at a baseline there's nothing interesting about that the band has to be interesting the story of like did you know we were friends before we started the band i don't fucking

[01:12:32] care that doesn't add anything two friends made a tv show that's impossible yeah because like an agent has to say yes uh and allow it to happen i think what movies has is you're right it's the largest thing in scope that stands alone and cannot be like standing uh cut up further and by that i mean like if you make an album the units are songs like you there could be breakout songs or whatever this has to

[01:13:01] stand together as a cohesive whole in the way uh maybe other stuff doesn't and also movies are such a logistical thing you have to solve for everything by which i mean like how do we get people fed how do we get people like uh just shit where it needs to go that it's not quite happening i think with the other

[01:13:22] stuff and thus all that labor behind the scenes when the movie like works is like incredible like i don't know how it's possible to summon the amount of genius that was required to solve for x on this movie so many times and have it come out because like i mentioned i'll go super low budget but like i'm thinking back on it and like really it never feels like it it never feels

[01:13:52] like anything is held everything feels like an intentional choice and maybe choices were arrived because of limitations but it's definitely better as a result of those limitations like i bet if you ask them maybe we will uh what like what would you have done differently if you had more money but they might have said everything because i remember i remember back before we had remy sue on creative director of thousand times resist i was reading interviews with him and such

[01:14:20] and i think there's an ama and he's like what would you do different uh if you were making thousand times resist again with more money and he's like oh literally everything like every single part like it is nothing but compromises and i'm like that's so interesting because it's great and i wonder if that's true here because it really doesn't feel like it like it feels like this is exactly what was in their heads and they made it real and it's so so admirable and it's like even if you don't like it you have

[01:14:45] to admire this right it's the same reason why like i don't care really about star wars the original films have some fun troubleshooting low budget stuff in them that is fun to admire for the same reason it is for that reason that i love all the shit that they're doing in this because it's it's it's budget conscious problem solving yes yes yes if you have enough money you can just like hire a

[01:15:09] fucking fx team and uh work them so hard that there remains no non-divorced individuals working at the studio uh and then when they're done you just don't pay them um you like can do that if you have the money to do that but like it's so much more beautiful that it's just like we had to fucking like we bought mascot costumes from fucking temu or something uh and filled it with packing peanuts like because

[01:15:38] that's what's inside the beavers and it's just like it doesn't feel low budget it feels like that is what's inside the beavers like what god damn it we're talking in circles because this is so good but trust us like watch this movie play this game it's a really good let's play yes yes yes uh all right i gotta eat lunch i'm getting hungry so this was great this is all the time we have for

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